Will 'dexos-1' oils only be synthetic?
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http://www.pennzoil.com/documents/DexosPressRelease.pdf
Platinum is on the list but the official release on the Ultra has not been announced (officially).
Platinum is on the list but the official release on the Ultra has not been announced (officially).
You really think that IF a car required only synthetic oil it would cost sales? I would disagree. I bet 99% of the people wouldnt know the oil that is spec'd for thier car unless they read the manual (fater the purchase) and from that % Im sure half wouldnt even care or use the correct oil.
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Information. I am relatively new to this site so this may have been posted before since the article goes back to 11/09.
http://www.asashop.org/autoinc/nov2009/cover.htm
http://www.asashop.org/autoinc/nov2009/cover.htm
Wasn't part of the dexos thing that the OLMs would be recalibrated to the new spec extending the OCIs Keeping the overall cost close? And if existing synthetics meet the spec will there be a price increase directly related to dexos?
Completely agree with that statement about most people not using the correct oil. Amazes me that people will spend $30K + on a vehicle and use off brand fluids to operate it. Had a friend in back in the 90's purchase a new Olds Aurora with the Northstar motor. Called for 91 octane and he ran it on 87 purchased from the cheapest source around. Used off brand oil for changes and doubt he ever changed the filter.
I think there will be a steep learning curve.
Even though it's been pretty well accepted (by people in the know) that the OLM is reasonably accurate, how many owners STILL believe that Jiffy Lube knows better than GM and change at 3,000 miles? And how many of them will be surprised when JL refuses to put in conventional oil while the car is under warranty and will zoom and rotate about the increased cost? 98% of Americans don't know, don't care, and don't wanna care...
Even though it's been pretty well accepted (by people in the know) that the OLM is reasonably accurate, how many owners STILL believe that Jiffy Lube knows better than GM and change at 3,000 miles? And how many of them will be surprised when JL refuses to put in conventional oil while the car is under warranty and will zoom and rotate about the increased cost? 98% of Americans don't know, don't care, and don't wanna care...
1. The majority of people with OLM seem to follow them.
2. The longer they can go without changing oil the better they like it. My little sister goes to WalMart at least twice a week and you would think getting the oil changed while she was their was a major inconvenience.
3. My guess is we will see more manufacturers move to the free maintenance for 4 years model. Many of my local dealers are already offering "Free Oil changes for Life" on their own. My guess is a fairly small percentage of new car buyers keep their cars long enough for this to become onerous.
2. The longer they can go without changing oil the better they like it. My little sister goes to WalMart at least twice a week and you would think getting the oil changed while she was their was a major inconvenience.
3. My guess is we will see more manufacturers move to the free maintenance for 4 years model. Many of my local dealers are already offering "Free Oil changes for Life" on their own. My guess is a fairly small percentage of new car buyers keep their cars long enough for this to become onerous.
Originally Posted By: addyguy
So far, only oils certified to it are Pennzoil Ultra and QS synthetic.
I know it's a tougher spec, but can it only be met with a syn oil?
If all of a sudden you can only put a syn oil in an economy car, it will cost GM a LOT of sales!
It might be possible to meet it with a GII/PAO Blend. Something along the lines of Schaeffer 7000.
Thats if GM doesnt require the base stock to be GIII or better,
So far, only oils certified to it are Pennzoil Ultra and QS synthetic.
I know it's a tougher spec, but can it only be met with a syn oil?
If all of a sudden you can only put a syn oil in an economy car, it will cost GM a LOT of sales!
It might be possible to meet it with a GII/PAO Blend. Something along the lines of Schaeffer 7000.
Thats if GM doesnt require the base stock to be GIII or better,
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Like ATF, the spec doesn't specify the base oil, but I think the spec can only be met or exceeded with GroupIII and higher groups and blends of higher groups.
IMHO, Dexos is a scam.
I will buy mainly Valvoline products from now on.
IMHO, Dexos is a scam.
I will buy mainly Valvoline products from now on.
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If the SAE and ILSAC were not stuck in the one oil for everyone and everything mentality, perhaps Dexos would never have happened. With the current approach of SAE and ILSAC, there is no objective way to judge between oils, even between dino and synthetic. So we are left with nearly all marketing and names like “Ultra”, “Platinum”, “Gold”, “Ultimate Durability”, “Extended Performance”, “Edge”, and subjective statements like “protects longer” and “cleans more” instead of objective data to identify and quantify performance differences and justify higher prices.
Then again the ACEA has multiple categories and the European makers have no shortage of their own vehicle specific oil requirements.
Then again the ACEA has multiple categories and the European makers have no shortage of their own vehicle specific oil requirements.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Like ATF, the spec doesn't specify the base oil, but I think the spec can only be met or exceeded with GroupIII and higher groups and blends of higher groups.
IMHO, Dexos is a scam.
I will buy mainly Valvoline products from now on.
Scam? How so? (I'm curious)
To some extent, pretty much all oils are a "scam".....
Like ATF, the spec doesn't specify the base oil, but I think the spec can only be met or exceeded with GroupIII and higher groups and blends of higher groups.
IMHO, Dexos is a scam.
I will buy mainly Valvoline products from now on.
Scam? How so? (I'm curious)
To some extent, pretty much all oils are a "scam".....
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Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Like ATF, the spec doesn't specify the base oil, but I think the spec can only be met or exceeded with GroupIII and higher groups and blends of higher groups.
IMHO, Dexos is a scam.
I will buy mainly Valvoline products from now on.
Scam? How so? (I'm curious)
To some extent, pretty much all oils are a "scam".....
$1.00 a Quart to Government Motors for the right to put the certification on the label.
Originally Posted By: MolaKule
Like ATF, the spec doesn't specify the base oil, but I think the spec can only be met or exceeded with GroupIII and higher groups and blends of higher groups.
IMHO, Dexos is a scam.
I will buy mainly Valvoline products from now on.
Scam? How so? (I'm curious)
To some extent, pretty much all oils are a "scam".....
$1.00 a Quart to Government Motors for the right to put the certification on the label.
I think if you do a little searching you will find that the $1.00 per quart royalty noted above is a bit overstated. The royalty fees has yet to be nailed down but the recent info indicates a $1000. flat fee for each grade per year and then $00.36 fee per gallon and that would break down to $00.09 per quart.
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