Where I live, nobody even stocks a PCMO in an 0W let along a HDEO. My point was that in Canada, 0W's may be easier to find.
Why Not Use HDEO in Everything?
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Originally Posted By: labman
Where I live, nobody even stocks a PCMO in an 0W let along a HDEO. My point was that in Canada, 0W's may be easier to find.
And you would be correct in that point sir.
Where I live, nobody even stocks a PCMO in an 0W let along a HDEO. My point was that in Canada, 0W's may be easier to find.
And you would be correct in that point sir.
Originally Posted By: labman
Where I live, nobody even stocks a PCMO in an 0W let along a HDEO. My point was that in Canada, 0W's may be easier to find.
Definitely.
The highly regarded HDEO Esso XD 0W30/40 is readily available at the Canada wide hardware store known as "Home Hardware". I picked up some of the 0W30 last week.
Where I live, nobody even stocks a PCMO in an 0W let along a HDEO. My point was that in Canada, 0W's may be easier to find.
Definitely.
The highly regarded HDEO Esso XD 0W30/40 is readily available at the Canada wide hardware store known as "Home Hardware". I picked up some of the 0W30 last week.
Well, use the 10W-30 in the warmer month, and the 5W-40 in the colder ones.
You could probably do fine with 10W-30 all year.
It doesn't usually get really cold in any part of Ohio.
Yeah, you'll see the ten below zero morning once each winter, but it is not normally really cold in our state.
You could probably do fine with 10W-30 all year.
It doesn't usually get really cold in any part of Ohio.
Yeah, you'll see the ten below zero morning once each winter, but it is not normally really cold in our state.
I have about an 18 month OCI (only about 6K miles a year) so whatever oil it gets will be year round. If I do it, it'll be more as an experiment than anything. Would be nice if it worked out well. I use that oil in a lot of my other equipment and the other truck. I have another 9 months or so on this OCI so I have time to think about it.
Originally Posted By: labman
Where I live, nobody even stocks a PCMO in an 0W let along a HDEO. My point was that in Canada, 0W's may be easier to find.
This may have been addressed already, but when I was in a Honda dealership recently I noticed that the Canadian 2010 Accord V6 calls for 0W-20 engine oil. Does the US version also call for 0W-20? That seems awfully thin for a blazing US southwest summer.
Where I live, nobody even stocks a PCMO in an 0W let along a HDEO. My point was that in Canada, 0W's may be easier to find.
This may have been addressed already, but when I was in a Honda dealership recently I noticed that the Canadian 2010 Accord V6 calls for 0W-20 engine oil. Does the US version also call for 0W-20? That seems awfully thin for a blazing US southwest summer.
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Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
Originally Posted By: labman
Where I live, nobody even stocks a PCMO in an 0W let along a HDEO. My point was that in Canada, 0W's may be easier to find.
Definitely.
The highly regarded HDEO Esso XD 0W30/40 is readily available at the Canada wide hardware store known as "Home Hardware". I picked up some of the 0W30 last week.
Do you know what other store would carry the Esso brand oils?? Besides one of their over priced gas stations of course. There is only one home hardware in my city, and it isn't exactly near by.
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Originally Posted By: labman
Where I live, nobody even stocks a PCMO in an 0W let along a HDEO. My point was that in Canada, 0W's may be easier to find.
Definitely.
The highly regarded HDEO Esso XD 0W30/40 is readily available at the Canada wide hardware store known as "Home Hardware". I picked up some of the 0W30 last week.
Do you know what other store would carry the Esso brand oils?? Besides one of their over priced gas stations of course. There is only one home hardware in my city, and it isn't exactly near by.
Thanks
-Joseph
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Originally Posted By: Camry_Frenzy37
Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
Originally Posted By: labman
Where I live, nobody even stocks a PCMO in an 0W let along a HDEO. My point was that in Canada, 0W's may be easier to find.
Definitely.
The highly regarded HDEO Esso XD 0W30/40 is readily available at the Canada wide hardware store known as "Home Hardware". I picked up some of the 0W30 last week.
Do you know what other store would carry the Esso brand oils?? Besides one of their over priced gas stations of course. There is only one home hardware in my city, and it isn't exactly near by.
Thanks
-Joseph
Walmart.
Originally Posted By: 21Rouge
Originally Posted By: labman
Where I live, nobody even stocks a PCMO in an 0W let along a HDEO. My point was that in Canada, 0W's may be easier to find.
Definitely.
The highly regarded HDEO Esso XD 0W30/40 is readily available at the Canada wide hardware store known as "Home Hardware". I picked up some of the 0W30 last week.
Do you know what other store would carry the Esso brand oils?? Besides one of their over priced gas stations of course. There is only one home hardware in my city, and it isn't exactly near by.
Thanks
-Joseph
Walmart.
Originally Posted By: miraCRD
Here's my question...
If the add pack in a good HDEO is so stout, is there a good reason not to use one in everything?
I've used HDEO's with superb results in my vintage cars for years. In cars that do lots of sitting, I'm convinced these oils help keep internal engine corrosion at bay. Been thinking lately why not use it in my "newer" stuff too? By newer I mean mid-90's Land Cruisers.
My wife's '01 Lumina has used 15w40 HDEO since its first oil change (the manual calls for 5w30). 216,000 miles later, the engine is still squeaky clean inside, runs good, and doesn't use any oil. Not sure how you could improve on those results... or what the 'down side' to running an HDEO in automotive engines would be.
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We might be sacrificing 1/2 mpg by using 15w40 instead of 5w30. The car gets about 29mpg. Let's say it would get 29.5mpg with a thinner oil. After 216000 miles, that's about 125 gallons of gas. I guess that's the down side. I can live with that.
Here's my question...
If the add pack in a good HDEO is so stout, is there a good reason not to use one in everything?
I've used HDEO's with superb results in my vintage cars for years. In cars that do lots of sitting, I'm convinced these oils help keep internal engine corrosion at bay. Been thinking lately why not use it in my "newer" stuff too? By newer I mean mid-90's Land Cruisers.
My wife's '01 Lumina has used 15w40 HDEO since its first oil change (the manual calls for 5w30). 216,000 miles later, the engine is still squeaky clean inside, runs good, and doesn't use any oil. Not sure how you could improve on those results... or what the 'down side' to running an HDEO in automotive engines would be.
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We might be sacrificing 1/2 mpg by using 15w40 instead of 5w30. The car gets about 29mpg. Let's say it would get 29.5mpg with a thinner oil. After 216000 miles, that's about 125 gallons of gas. I guess that's the down side. I can live with that.
Originally Posted By: Johnny
In your three Land Rovers, HDEO would be the idea application.
So which oils are considered HDEO?
In your three Land Rovers, HDEO would be the idea application.
So which oils are considered HDEO?
you're in the sub forum called HDEO
I read most of the posts above, and it seems that they cover the dual rated oils (C*-S* rating) well. Is there a consensus about using oils with just the C rating in gas engines? I can only get a CH-4 (no gas rating) rated oil in bulk, but I also have gas engines in forklifts, cars etc.
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Originally Posted By: sdan27
I don't know why people wouldn't use it in everything. It's rated for gasoline engines, easily available. I see VOAs of non-HD oils and the additive package numbers are lower than a UOA I do on a HD oil. Usually it's a little more difficult to find much lighter viscosity than a 10w-30 but that should cover a lot of autos. My Powerstroke used to have a cat till it fell off and the manual called for HDEO.
Yep, as long as the HDEO meets proper API certs (most are only "SM" rated that I've seen....) and the proper viscosity for the vehicle (again....that's the kicker....stuck with 10W-30, 5W-40, or 15W-40...)...
That being said, an HDEO makes a good "summer run" oil IMHO
Or, as mentioned, for use in something that is going to be "sitting", and not driven much.....HDEO seems to be cheaper, at least in my neck of the woods ;P Unless it's just the whole deal with it being in "gallons" (4 quarts....) vs. 5 quart containers
The price point makes it look cheaper
The problem I've heard with the HDEOs, if say, you use the HDEO in an engine that doesn't get hot enough, the engine won't be able to completely warm up the engine oil.....particularly if you throw in a xW-40 in there or something....BUT, the Rotella 10W-30 (silver jug, synthetic blend) looks very appealing to me, with a pint of MMO
I don't know why people wouldn't use it in everything. It's rated for gasoline engines, easily available. I see VOAs of non-HD oils and the additive package numbers are lower than a UOA I do on a HD oil. Usually it's a little more difficult to find much lighter viscosity than a 10w-30 but that should cover a lot of autos. My Powerstroke used to have a cat till it fell off and the manual called for HDEO.
Yep, as long as the HDEO meets proper API certs (most are only "SM" rated that I've seen....) and the proper viscosity for the vehicle (again....that's the kicker....stuck with 10W-30, 5W-40, or 15W-40...)...
That being said, an HDEO makes a good "summer run" oil IMHO
The price point makes it look cheaper
The problem I've heard with the HDEOs, if say, you use the HDEO in an engine that doesn't get hot enough, the engine won't be able to completely warm up the engine oil.....particularly if you throw in a xW-40 in there or something....BUT, the Rotella 10W-30 (silver jug, synthetic blend) looks very appealing to me, with a pint of MMO
Originally Posted By: ahoier
The problem I've heard with the HDEOs, if say, you use the HDEO in an engine that doesn't get hot enough, the engine won't be able to completely warm up the engine oil.....particularly if you throw in a xW-40 in there or something....
It depends on engine/vehicle type too.. some engines heat up quicker so corresponding oil temperatures will be hotter than others.
When you say "won't be able to completely warm up the engine oil," what "hottest" temperatures are you expecting ?
The problem I've heard with the HDEOs, if say, you use the HDEO in an engine that doesn't get hot enough, the engine won't be able to completely warm up the engine oil.....particularly if you throw in a xW-40 in there or something....
It depends on engine/vehicle type too.. some engines heat up quicker so corresponding oil temperatures will be hotter than others.
When you say "won't be able to completely warm up the engine oil," what "hottest" temperatures are you expecting ?
I would love to use an oil with a great antiwear additive package, but my 2011 Jeep Liberty has 2 'mini' cat converters (one each header pipe) and a 'full size' cat converter on the main exhaust pipe (after the header pipes merge) that can potentially get damaged...lots of $$$ paid in replacement parts & labor
Originally Posted By: fpracha
Originally Posted By: ahoier
The problem I've heard with the HDEOs, if say, you use the HDEO in an engine that doesn't get hot enough, the engine won't be able to completely warm up the engine oil.....particularly if you throw in a xW-40 in there or something....
It depends on engine/vehicle type too.. some engines heat up quicker so corresponding oil temperatures will be hotter than others.
When you say "won't be able to completely warm up the engine oil," what "hottest" temperatures are you expecting ?
I thought that's what thermostats were for. Seems to me the LOWer of the two grade numbers relates to
cold performance.
Originally Posted By: ahoier
The problem I've heard with the HDEOs, if say, you use the HDEO in an engine that doesn't get hot enough, the engine won't be able to completely warm up the engine oil.....particularly if you throw in a xW-40 in there or something....
It depends on engine/vehicle type too.. some engines heat up quicker so corresponding oil temperatures will be hotter than others.
When you say "won't be able to completely warm up the engine oil," what "hottest" temperatures are you expecting ?
I thought that's what thermostats were for. Seems to me the LOWer of the two grade numbers relates to
cold performance.
if you want to use hdeo then go with red line or motul.
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