Why ICE is here to stay for some time?
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Things are not all nice and rosy in Norway:
Their electricity prices went nuts last year, and are bad this year, in part, due to exports to Germany, who shuttered their nuclear plants.
I dunno. Solar canopies in parking lots seems to be a good way to handle all this. Solves quite a few things including keeping vehicles cool. I've seen a few of those at amusement parks and large office buildings.
As long as they don't get hail that can destroy it, it should be fine. It wasn't fine in Nebraska though.I dunno. Solar canopies in parking lots seems to be a good way to handle all this. Solves quite a few things including keeping vehicles cool. I've seen a few of those at amusement parks and large office buildings.
Unlikely in Northern California.
I suppose there are more durable materials. I've seen wood shingle look panels, and they're considerably tougher than glass, but likely at a cost with lower efficiency. However, when there's hail, that can damage all sorts of structures made with glass.
An expensive lesson can be learned from Nebraska then.
Some on this board would disagree with you being that they directly benefit from many policies installed during the FDR Administration which is the darling of central planning in the US.
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Panels are rated for hail that's 1-inch in size at 50 mph. They like your vehicle don't stand a chance against baseball size hail at 150mph which is what hit that solar farm.
Yep, but it happened, and wrecked the solar farm. A vehicle with fair warning can be moved, not the case with the solar farm. Fair warning they might have been able to cover the panels or possibly some of them. Either way IMO there's a lesson in this.
You left out the slave labor mining piece. I can't hop up on my high horse though as that conflict Lithium has made the battery for the laptop I'm typing this on.
There were production EVs (6 passenger cars) over 130 years ago, when is this future that you speak of? Why does ClubCar sell a gas powered golf cart AND an electric?
That changes nothing, solar panels exposed to hailI dunno. Solar canopies in parking lots seems to be a good way to handle all this. Solves quite a few things including keeping vehicles cool. I've seen a few of those at amusement parks and large office buildings.
This is the EV forum, right? Starting to sound like Backwoods Billy’s hate another idea hour…
I like the fact that a 0.01% chance of an occurrence means it shouldn’t happen. I’m sure the property damage was crazy on every structure hit by that hail. It’s also why no one is suggesting putting all our eggs in one basket. Yes there are definitely better places to put solar than others. They definitely made that decision here and have overwhelmingly chosen wind mills as the preferred alternative for my area.
Many have said it here. We’ll see many of these mandates roll back in some areas, well at least those that aren’t California.
I really don’t think there’s one answer for everyone and it never pays to bet on only one thing. I think everyone should feel free to light Benjamins on fire to their hearts content. I see the dumb crap people drive on the roads today and I’m very happy to not be the one paying for the mods and fuel. To be honest I kind of want to see some of these dumb mods from a standard F150 adapted to the Lightning. I want to see how poorly it affects range.
I like the fact that a 0.01% chance of an occurrence means it shouldn’t happen. I’m sure the property damage was crazy on every structure hit by that hail. It’s also why no one is suggesting putting all our eggs in one basket. Yes there are definitely better places to put solar than others. They definitely made that decision here and have overwhelmingly chosen wind mills as the preferred alternative for my area.
Many have said it here. We’ll see many of these mandates roll back in some areas, well at least those that aren’t California.
I really don’t think there’s one answer for everyone and it never pays to bet on only one thing. I think everyone should feel free to light Benjamins on fire to their hearts content. I see the dumb crap people drive on the roads today and I’m very happy to not be the one paying for the mods and fuel. To be honest I kind of want to see some of these dumb mods from a standard F150 adapted to the Lightning. I want to see how poorly it affects range.It might suprise you as to how much disagreement there is over some of FDR's policies and their true success or lack thereof. What the media accepts as historical fact is not always reality. FDR was and is a media darling. And in many ways, I do believe he was the right leader at the right time, but I don't think all of his economic policies were as successful as is believed.
The confirmation bias is rampant around here. BITOGers want it to be true so badly that ICE vehicles will last another 100 years.
But pretty much everyone in the world is now scouring for lithium. Exxon is investing in a lithium field in Arkansas. And there's tons of research going on in alternate battery chemistries, like sodium and potassium ion. Research is also ongoing to increase energy density in batteries. The writing is on the wall, whether people want to see it or not is up to them.
https://www.reuters.com/markets/com...-bet-with-tetra-technologies-deal-2023-06-28/
https://www.mining-technology.com/n...ights-as-oil-majors-move-into-mineral-mining/
Of course it is and everyone here knows it! It just won’t happen tomorrow like some folks here want. It will be a decade or three before EV’s outnumber ICE. If 1 million EV’s were to appear in 1 million driveways tonight, what would folks do with them tomorrow?
I know, simplistic but………
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I left that out only because it’s NIMBY-land already, but yes. It’s part of the equation.
What do you think those kids in the DR Congo would be doing if they weren't panning for cobalt? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be sitting at home with the AC on and their Nintendo Switch in their laps like American kids.
It's a red herring, to get people triggered about EVs, especially those already opposed.
Nobody wants to see little kids doing manual labor. But I don't think an absence of cobalt mining is going to cause those little kids to stop doing labor.
It's a red herring, to get people triggered about EVs, especially those already opposed.
Nobody wants to see little kids doing manual labor. But I don't think an absence of cobalt mining is going to cause those little kids to stop doing labor.
The very reason that policymakers are pushing EVs is that they can make a huge contribution in reducing carbon emissions and there is no market mechanism which can achieve this. I'm not going to go into the importance of this, since I don't want this post deleted nor do I want this thread locked.
This is what is commonly known as the tragedy of the commons, a phrase coined by a nineteenth century British economist, Williams Foster Loyd based upon the abuse of common use grazing land. What does this mean? We all use the atmosphere but none of us own it, so no one has any personal stake in protecting it from damage. IOW, it is a common resource used by all and owned by none.
For those who proclaim that we should let the market decide, okay, then we must create a market.
Markets work based upon the price mechanism, so we'd have to create such a mechanism.
Easily done. As opposed to an EV mandate, we could just institute a carbon tax on every gallon of fuel sold. Free market actors would then be able to decide whether they'll pay that tax or adopt an EV instead. Not sure how high this tax would have to be, but let's say maybe a buck a gallon or maybe two.
Simple enough and any serious person who claims to believe in free markets should welcome such a policy.
Let's also knock off the claims that any factual reporting with which we disagree is driven by some agenda rather than by fact.
This is what is commonly known as the tragedy of the commons, a phrase coined by a nineteenth century British economist, Williams Foster Loyd based upon the abuse of common use grazing land. What does this mean? We all use the atmosphere but none of us own it, so no one has any personal stake in protecting it from damage. IOW, it is a common resource used by all and owned by none.
For those who proclaim that we should let the market decide, okay, then we must create a market.
Markets work based upon the price mechanism, so we'd have to create such a mechanism.
Easily done. As opposed to an EV mandate, we could just institute a carbon tax on every gallon of fuel sold. Free market actors would then be able to decide whether they'll pay that tax or adopt an EV instead. Not sure how high this tax would have to be, but let's say maybe a buck a gallon or maybe two.
Simple enough and any serious person who claims to believe in free markets should welcome such a policy.
Let's also knock off the claims that any factual reporting with which we disagree is driven by some agenda rather than by fact.
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