Why I buy American

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Remember that that 30$ / hr to those plant line techs are not just being generous it makes good business sense since most all of those employees will buy what they make and also get friends and relatives to do the same. I think alot of folks don't consider that apsect of the pay.
 
If the domestic car has high domestic content which many do and you buy OE parts, the parts are made in the US of course and usually by American owned suppliers. They're expensive though but there still IS a such thing as an American car with American made parts from American owned suppliers. ACDelco for instance is not always OE so less likely to be US sourced. On my brother's '89 Cutlass everything was made in the USA even the radio which I was surprised it wasn't made in Mexico. That car must've had over 95% domestic content or more.

I won't disagree that an UAW job is a better gig than most mechanic gigs, but we could do those comparisons all day. Someone working at Autozone doesn't have it as good as a dealer parts personnel etc. Working on an assembly line or in mass production is not that easy, plus it is more efficient and productive. And a lot of mechanics aren't happy with flat rate or being non union. So should everyone working in the automotive field get a raw deal just because some of them do? You could just as easily make the argument that the manufacturer and the dealerships are unfair to mechanics because most of them are not unionized.
 
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I saw on TV last night a woman working in a garment factory in Mexico making bras for Victoria's Secret and she was paid 18 cents per bra she made. Whats the mark up on that bra sold here in the USA ?

California Turns To China For New Bay Bridge
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/16/140515737/california-turns-to-china-for-new-bay-bridge

There will very few items made in America in 20 years. We simply can't compete with China or Mexico.








That is just disgusting.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I saw on TV last night a woman working in a garment factory in Mexico making bras for Victoria's Secret and she was paid 18 cents per bra she made. Whats the mark up on that bra sold here in the USA ?

California Turns To China For New Bay Bridge
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/16/140515737/california-turns-to-china-for-new-bay-bridge

There will very few items made in America in 20 years. We simply can't compete with China or Mexico.








That is just disgusting.


And the worst part is if they made the bra in the US they would only have to pay the worker about 90 cents or less to make the bra. But that would of course make the $20 bra unaffordable
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Originally Posted By: mechanicx
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
I saw on TV last night a woman working in a garment factory in Mexico making bras for Victoria's Secret and she was paid 18 cents per bra she made. Whats the mark up on that bra sold here in the USA ?

California Turns To China For New Bay Bridge
http://www.npr.org/2011/09/16/140515737/california-turns-to-china-for-new-bay-bridge

There will very few items made in America in 20 years. We simply can't compete with China or Mexico.








That is just disgusting.


And the worst part is if they made the bra in the US they would only have to pay the worker about 90 cents or less to make the bra. But that would of course make the $20 bra unaffordable
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California is spending more than $7 billion building what it says will be an architectural marvel: the new San Francisco-Oakland Bay Bridge. But the state saved a lot of money sending some of the construction work overseas.


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This assembly will be performed early next year by American labor. But the massive cable, key sections of the iconic tower and deck were all made in China, which is emerging as an infrastructure powerhouse in more places than San Francisco. For example, Chinese companies have contracted with New York City for a bridge, the subway system and a commuter train platform.

The decision to outsource the fabrication of key sections of the Bay Bridge was made about five years ago, when a contractor offered alternate bids on the project, says Tony Anziano, a manager at the California Department of Transportation.

"One proposing to do work domestically, one proposing to do the work internationally: There was a $400 million differential in that bid, and in that case it would have required the work to go international," he says.

California avoided legal requirements to use domestic steel by not using federal funds for the job.

The steel contract went to a state-owned Chinese company, Shanghai Zhenhua Heavy Industries, which had several advantages: modern production facilities, ships to deliver the steel and, of course, low-cost labor. A Chinese steel polisher makes about $12 a day.

Bob LaVenture, a district director for the United Steelworkers Union, has opposed outsourcing this job.

"There is no way that American workers will be able to ever compete with $12 a day," he says. "It's just not right, and it's not right for America."

It wasn't just the cost of labor that made Chinese steel more attractive, Anziano says. He says American steel fabricators don't have the capacity for a job like the Bay Bridge. When union and industry groups questioned the quality of the Chinese steel, Anziano says, the state and the contractor sent more than 200 people to China to watch over the fabrication process.

"In this particular case, we had full-time staff on site over in China — 24/7 — that monitored all aspects of fabrication work and performed their own quality-assurance testing," he says. "So we have a very high level of assurance about what we are getting."


Enjoy the race to the bottom folks!

As if enough of the US wasn't owned by the Chinese! Now you have various levels of Government themselves selling you out!

Does this not enrage anybody here??????
 
It doesn't enrage me. I like working non-unionized for foreign masters
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[sarcasm]. Seriously, how do you really save money by give it to China instead of keeping it local?
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
If the domestic car has high domestic content which many do and you buy OE parts, the parts are made in the US of course and usually by American owned suppliers. They're expensive though but there still IS a such thing as an American car with American made parts from American owned suppliers. ACDelco for instance is not always OE so less likely to be US sourced. On my brother's '89 Cutlass everything was made in the USA even the radio which I was surprised it wasn't made in Mexico. That car must've had over 95% domestic content or more.

I won't disagree that an UAW job is a better gig than most mechanic gigs, but we could do those comparisons all day. Someone working at Autozone doesn't have it as good as a dealer parts personnel etc. Working on an assembly line or in mass production is not that easy, plus it is more efficient and productive. And a lot of mechanics aren't happy with flat rate or being non union. So should everyone working in the automotive field get a raw deal just because some of them do? You could just as easily make the argument that the manufacturer and the dealerships are unfair to mechanics because most of them are not unionized.


+1

As we see, over and over again. For a certain segment of society it's as if the facts dont mean anything. Just a minor inconvenience that gets in the way of their pre conceived, ill informed opinions.
 
Originally Posted By: mechanicx
It doesn't enrage me. I like working non-unionized for foreign masters
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[sarcasm]. Seriously, how do you really save money by give it to China instead of keeping it local?


Provide value that low-cost manufacturers cannot. We have a serious shortage of certain skills in this country that is hampering our growth.
 
I don't mind supporting the North American brands too, but the way I see it now is (I work in the auto industry) I work for a Japanese company that is on Canadian soil, and my Canadian friends and myself are getting paid, and we are a very tight partner with Honda, (my Civic) which was made less than 2 hours from here, also on Canadian soil, with Canadian workers.

It matters to me too, but I think my logic is pretty straight-forward. If I were to buy an American branded car aside from the Chev Equinox, I wouldn't even be supporting myself or my company.

I get and respect your logic though, its pretty much the same as mine now at this point
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Originally Posted By: LTVibe
Originally Posted By: dailydriver
But, even though one should not "hold the sins/crimes/horrors of the fathers against the sons", some things just CANNOT BE FORGIVEN, NO MATTER HOW LONG a period of time has passed.
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Good point! After what those barbaric Viking invaders did to my English ancestors during the 8th and 9th centuries, I'll never ever buy a Volvo or Saab!!!
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Of course they were evil and cruel, but was the Nordic butchers' intent out and out, TOTAL, METHODICAL AND COMPLETE theocracide/genocide committed less than 75 years ago??!
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(But I still would not blame/ridicule/be facetious with you if you were actually serious about your sarcastic comeback.
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I see your logic, and I can agree. Sad thing is if a mechanic says union, the company I work for will quickly terminate your employment.
 
Originally Posted By: snapcrackle12
Sad thing is if a mechanic says union, the company I work for will quickly terminate your employment.


Kind of like the 'thought police' in charge at The Home Depot will do to you if you even have a fleeting, passing thought about organizing that place. (If they don't just put a contract out on your life.)
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There are no American or foreign car manufacturers. There are just car companies. Some may have more parts made in the US or may have assembly by US workers. Ford is making cars outside the US and importing them into the US. GM is spending billions opening state of the art new plants in China employing thousands of Chinese workers. Hyundai, Subaru, Honda, BMW, etc are building plants in the US.

These are all global corporations owned by shareholders from around the world. Their objective is to maximize profit.

Buy what best serves your needs and don't think twice.
 
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I wish it were that simple. Domestic automakers and parts suppliers support more good American jobs and R&D, and have more American ownership. Some particular domestic models have less domestic content and are not domestically assembled as some foreign vehicle, but that doesn't necessarily completely negate the American R&D and ownership and besides those modles are easily avoided. This point was already made in this thread. Talk about redundancy.
 
There is R & D that occurs in the USA especially for Honda. Two of my college roommates ended up there. They stating the 2011 Odyssey a popular minivan was fully designed in the USA.

One third (6 of 18) model-year 2012 Honda and Acura models sold in America - including five of seven light truck models - were researched, designed and developed by Honda R&D Americas.
 
Originally Posted By: rjundi
There is R & D that occurs in the USA especially for Honda. Two of my college roommates ended up there. They stating the 2011 Odyssey a popular minivan was fully designed in the USA.

One third (6 of 18) model-year 2012 Honda and Acura models sold in America - including five of seven light truck models - were researched, designed and developed by Honda R&D Americas.



That would make sense since I doubt those models have a strong segment in Japan.
 
Originally Posted By: snapcrackle12
I see your logic, and I can agree. Sad thing is if a mechanic says union, the company I work for will quickly terminate your employment.


So things would be much better if the workers belonged to a labor union ?
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I buy cars and bikes that make me smile; which means that my vehicles come from Hinckley, Hiroshima, Munich, and Zuffenhausen. Or Toledo(used only- I strenuously avoid giving direct aid or comfort to the UAW).
 
Its impossible to buy an "American" car these days, parts are sourced from all over the world and made from materials that are mined in the far flung reach's of every continent.

Also since the companies themselves are not privately held how much of their ownership and hence the profits are going to Americans? Chrysler has been a European company since 1998, now they are Italian so anyone banging a patriotic fist and driving a Dodge is full of it, they are no more American than the guy in the Fiat next to you.

Does having it screwed together here make it American? If that's the case than Honda, Toyota, Subaru, and Mercedes make American cars to.

If you want an American car buy a 32 Ford.
 
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Originally Posted By: hattaresguy
...Chrysler has been a European company since 1998, now they are Italian so anyone banging a patriotic fist and driving a Dodge is full of it, they are no more American than the guy in the Fiat next to you...


My Dakota was build during the Daimler-Chrysler days, and the build sticker on the doorjamb even says "Daimler", so I like to confuse people by telling them I have a Mercedes pickup.

Anyway, the lines are so blurred now it's ridiculous. Is my made-in-Alabama Sonata more foreign than the Hencho en Mexico HHR that I was also considering at the time I was shopping?
 
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