Why I buy American

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All the cars I have had were American. But the way my 1976 Volare rusted away, and the way the dealer treated me on all things, including the rust waranty, I will NEVER own another Chrysler or Chrysler-Plymouth Vehicle EVER again.

I have an Uncle who only buys American but has sworn off Fords ever since his Pinto turned into a fire-ball when it was rear-ended and he barely got out in time.

And I have to admit that some of the problems I have had with our 2001 Impala had me thinking Toyoto until the recent run-aways.
 
While some may make snide and uncalled for remarks about Nick,I think that he is on the right track and if he wants to support AMERICAN products,he should not be put down for it.

Maybe we all should think a little more about what we buy and where it is made.After all,the next job loss may be your own.
 
Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
Where was the keyboard for the computer you used to type the above post made?
You can still buy a US-made keyboards. They are made in Lexington, KY by a company called Unicomp. They are my favorite keyboards--I use them at home and at the lab. Worth the money.
 
Originally Posted By: motorguy222

The foreign companies pay US workers but the vast majority of profits return to the companies homeland and are of no benefit to the US.It is in some ways a win lose situation but in others,it is a lose everything dilemma.


Well yeah "profits" are what are left after you pay all your expenses. Labor is the biggest expense for anyone. :P

Real estate, real estate tax, building construction and maintenance, electricity purchase all go to the host locale.

Any amount of value added is a good thing. You start with iron ore or scrap metal and convert it into a $20k car. We decry US corporations adding value overseas...

Look at countries (Australia comes to mind) that used to import cars as "knock down kits" that were reassembled on local shores. Even Toyota US did this with US made bed boxes on imported truck frames.

Any problems I've ever had with cars have been bean-counter related; the assembly torque has always been spot-on. Just the part was spec'd to an overly cheap point. So I'd have to fault the "white shirts" on that and not the UAW.
 
I love my German cars. There are design and manufacturing details that just make them interesting to me. However, they are NOT easy vehicles to own. Oils for my diesel VW are not readily available and OES filters are mail-order ONLY in my town.

I can get cheap Chinese filters at the autoparts store but they cost more than the dealership items and that just doesn't work for me.

With this being said, there's a whole lot of truth to the phrase "When in Rome, do as the Roman's do". It just makes sense to own what is common to your location. Buying domestic, regardless of where it was assembled, can make the ownership experience a bit less frustrating.
 
A bit of a long perspective as a foreign member of this board.

From a young age, I always associated "Made in USA" with quality. I suppose whether or not this was a correct assumption depended greatly on what the product was, but certainly as far as the automotive sector is concerned, I have had bitter sweet experiences with GM products. I wouldn't really consider myself a GM guy, and I'm not a big fan of Chrysler. So if it's an American car, it's a Ford in my book.

My family has a history of buying GM, and we've had many Oldsmobiles, Pontiacs and Chevrolets in our household for many years. Mechanically the vehicles have been mostly trouble-free, and given the only maintenance these cars had were mostly oil changes and carburetor cleaning, I consider that a very good thing. But what these cars offered in terms of durability, they lacked in overall feel and quality. I remember the most common problems we've had with all our GM B-Bodies - exterior door handles that would break ever so often, sagging headliner, sunvisors that kept dropping down on their own, cracking dashboard pads and interior door handles (to pull the door shut) that would come off unless the bolts were tightened every now and then. From a reliability point of view, I suppose these things are not considering so important. But from a satisfaction point of view, I think it goes a long way.

Competition is a good thing, and healthy competition helps us as customers because we are offered better products for competitive prices. But unfortunately, it's a survival of the fittest situation. A reputation takes years, maybe decades to build. But it only takes a fraction of that time to ruin.

Now because I'm not directly involved and because most of my assumptions are based off what I have read, my views may not exactly be accurate. But I feel capitalism has taken over the American automotive sector in more of a negative way. Obviously, these companies exist to make a profit and that is ultimately their purpose. But it seems little regard is shown for the other side of things.

Reading through Nick's post, the first thing that came to mind was the Liqui-Moly video someone posted last year. The owner/founder swore to sell his mansion before he would lay off anyone, even in the most difficult times. He spoke about the sentimental side of the business, and how it would be difficult to lay off somebody who has been a loyal employee for so many years. I feel this is something that's lacking in the American automotive sector. I'm not a fan of protectionism, but considering the government bailed out two of these companies from going bust, maybe they could return the favor though employee retention at the very least. I recently read an article on Liqui-Moly's website this week, and apparently they hired 500 more people over the last year.

As others have already mentioned, the major issue when buying a car, at least as far as regular cars are concerned, is "this is my hard earned money, I want to buy the best this money can buy." American offerings tend to be pretty generous as far as value for money is concerned. But if they continue their focus and pursuit of quality, and maybe market their heritage and history alongside their products, it would perhaps help in some way.
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Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: JimPghPA
Where was the keyboard for the computer you used to type the above post made?


E Machine made in China, and it works fine. I never said I don't buy products made elsewhere, but for some things I do like staying home with names I trust, like M1 and Ford.


Don't think he was addressing you.
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Glad Nick works at a place that sells only made in America items so he has a job.

Bill


Bill, I have to congratulate you on the wonderful use of sarcasm. I buy American when it is possible. Believe me, there are a few things in the store that ARE. Hence why I have a rocketfish flash drive- made in usa. I point that out to people and it's like a lightbulb. They don't care the price, they want that one. luckily it actually happens to be cheaper than the Sandisk,PNY ones too.
 
Nick, very proud of you.
OVERK1LL, great story.

As for me, well, I'm sure most of you know I love the Blue oval...
 
I couldn't care less where the vehicle that I own was manufactured, or what nameplate it wears on the front. That goes for most of the items that I own.

I vowed a long time ago that I would make my own decisions, and not wallow in the "My daddy did it and so will I" mentality. In other words, I make my own path rather than follow the path that any of my relatives or ancestors have taken. My dad was (and is) a die hard Ford owner-other than some antique tractors I don't own a Ford vehicle. My dad was a staunch union supporter-I have never been part of any union.

I also don't allow a vehicle to define who I am. It's a device that I use to get from point A to point B, and as long as it is reliable, economical and comfortable I'm happy.

I do feel pity for someone that feels a vehicle defines who they are-either a brand or a style. I find that to be a sign of a shallow self image. It's rather sad if you have to bolster your self image by a "thing" rather than your actions or who you truly are.

But then, unlike the original poster's family, I can't imagine spending my career working "in a plant" bolting widgets together, or doing the same job over and over for decades. I've never understood how or why someone would set goals like that for themselves; to me it sounds like an utterly boring existence.

And a note to the original poster-the problems at US Steel were not caused by the Japanese, they were caused by US Steel's failure to innovate and keep up with the times. Look at the differences in the corporate mentality of the Big Steel companies and other smaller American steel companies such as Nucor and Steel Dynamics. If Big Steel were able to adopt a more flexible corporate model they would not have had all their problems. While overseas companies (and companies like Nucor) were investing in mini-mills and CSP machines, Big Steel was wallowing in the same business model they had used since the early 1900's.
 
I'll buy American where it's practical and possible. Some things I use daily in my job haven't been made in America in decades. Other things like my tools are slowly getting upgraded with American-made items.

Regarding cars, I'll look at whatever meets my needs. If it can be American-made and owned, great. I'll take American-made next, then American-owned.

My family has no problem with owning "foreign" cars, like our made-in-Indiana Subaru or the Japanese (made in Japan from lots of Japanese parts) Honda in the driveway. I drove a Hyundai made in Korea for a few years.

My next car might be another "domestic" or a "foreign" make. It depends on what my needs are, and who can sell me a car that best meets those needs.
 
At least the US is offering very good and competitive products across the entire board with vehicles at present. Large Suv's and pickups are superior.

Buying American just to buy American has led to some poor choices during time periods from the 1980's - 1990's.

Problem with other products is you are really limiting yourself as so many offered made across this globe. The US is a small player in consumer goods.
 
I have had four imports an 86 Renault Alliance, a 1991 Nissan Sentra, a 96 Honda Accord, and a 2002 VW Jetta TDI.

They were all pretty bad. So I only buy GM stuff now because I have had the best luck with it. Plus I try to buy American when ever I can. It gets harder everyday.
 
Originally Posted By: ls1mike
I have had four imports an 86 Renault Alliance, a 1991 Nissan Sentra, a 96 Honda Accord, and a 2002 VW Jetta TDI.


Renault? No suprise there. Not American

B13 Sentra? Don't know what you did there. There are taxi drivers in latin America still driving B13s with 500,000 miles on them. Hecho in Mexico or Japan

CD Accord? Yeah, the transmission is a weak spot. Not exactly CB7 reliable but still as good/ better than a similar year W chassis. Made in the USA by the good folks who don't give a [darn] for the whole state of Michigan one November weekend a year.

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Out of all the cars I`ve owned,my only gripe with American made cars,were that that always had unfixable electical problems and the car itself always fell apart (interior/exterior). The Mitsubishi 3000GT I had and my current Nissan are the best cars I`ve ever owned.
 
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Over time all business must change to stay competitive and manufacture things in other countries, its just a fact of life for many businesses. The days of manufacturing in the USA are coming to an end sooner than most Americans will care to admit.

All this 'buy American' cheerleading is getting very old. Its comes up every few days. Many Union folks from the Rust Belt states fail to take any responsibility for their actions over the past 10-20-30 years. If you get a chance read some of the manufacturing closing and layoffs on:

http://www.dailyjobcuts.com/
 
+1 to many of you, I agree with a lot of the sentiment in here!

Me personally, I buy domestic whenever possible, in all types of purchases. It just makes sense to support local employers as much as possible.

As far as the foreign makes, they have no real advantage in build quality, endurance or appeal in most cases when you compare across similar price ranges. Of course if you are willing to pay for it, there are cars out there nicer than the Big 3 produce.

IMO though, given 20,000-30,000 to spend, an American car can be bought that has every bit of the quality of anything for that same price coming out of Japan or Korea.
 
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I can't imagine spending my career working "in a plant" bolting widgets together, or doing the same job over and over for decades. I've never understood how or why someone would set goals like that for themselves; to me it sounds like an utterly boring existence.


With no education, what else could these people do ?
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Originally Posted By: Pop_Rivit
But then, unlike the original poster's family, I can't imagine spending my career working "in a plant" bolting widgets together, or doing the same job over and over for decades. I've never understood how or why someone would set goals like that for themselves; to me it sounds like an utterly boring existence.


This type of comment can be taken as offensive.Those that feel this way had better be glad that there are people that do this work or they wouldnt have the things that "they" have.

We ar not all the same,everyone doesnt like the same thing and they shouldnt be put down for such.Many that work in factories make very good money and most have very good benefits and live a very nice life.

Many that work in factories also work their way up just as in any other job and get better pay as they do.There is a factory north of where I live that is wanting help and they start out at $17.00 an hour,that doesnt include benefits.

The point is,dont knock someone for a job they do,you may feel that it is beneath you but that doesnt mean that you could end up doing worse.

One thing I have learned over the years is to "never" say that I would "never" do this or that.It might just come back to bite you.
 
Another thing is the loss of domestic production doesn't just mean the loss of those production jobs, it is a wide spread economic loss. It affects just about all levels of the private and even the public sector. You have cities even laying off their police and fire depts due to production losses. It doesn't just affect those directly working in the manufacturing and production fiilds it has an economic effect every where. When you don't produce what you consume, you tend to go into debt.
 
Originally Posted By: LT4 Vette
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I can't imagine spending my career working "in a plant" bolting widgets together, or doing the same job over and over for decades. I've never understood how or why someone would set goals like that for themselves; to me it sounds like an utterly boring existence.


With no education, what else could these people do ?
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An education won't necessarily provide you a job when you have an economic loss from losses in manufacturing and production. Besides there are people with bachelor's degrees working in factories or unemployed. White collar jobs can and are outsourced too.
 
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