Why don’t people recycle their old oil?

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Originally Posted By: XS650
Originally Posted By: daves66nova
Originally Posted By: Duffman77
Originally Posted By: dargo
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I was thinking like $1/qt. so it would be worthwhile.
then people would start adding junk to their recycled oil to make more.


The law of unintended consequences strikes again.

You gotta' love arbitrary price fixes...
 
There are some things that need a remedy where there is no "good way" to accomplish it.

I'd say that $1/quart at the point of purchase would be a good idea ....but that too would be complicated. It would surely work for the bottles themselves ..but for the content it doesn't work so well. It sorta requires you to return it to the point of purchase, and that will include a whole set of different complications.

Eventually I think that the consumer end of this sweet ride will come to an end ..or at least be radically altered. I keep trying to give people a perspective on how much of our economy is wrapped around the automobile since it's so taken for granted that they can't really see the thick forest due to all the trees in the way.
 
I have been taking my used oil to Walmart in 5 quart oil jugs as well as saved 1 gallon Arizona tea jugs. The problem is that they limit you on how much oil you can bring in at a time, and how much during a time period. That is going to make me resort to having to take the oil to many different locations, which will be a bit of a pain.
 
Well, Kestas, I just see a more authoritarian environment ..especially where the environment is concerned. We just have too many doing too much. Even a 1% violation rate is intolerable (or so we're led to believe). In terms of recycling in general, they do it in strange ways that don't produce any real results outside of aluminum ..and perhaps pressed cardboard. The oil recycling, as in recycled oil, is never going to get off the ground until bulk refining slows down. The various government agencies are keeping the industry afloat. There's just too much new product in the pipeline for lower costs. How can you add a buck to the cost in a form of a incentive tax when we still have BOGO'S and rebates on oil? That would ..maybe..make recycled oil a better buy.
 
In NJ, any place that performs auto service is required to take the hazmat (coolant and oil). You can leave it anonymously at thee places from what Ive seen. The auto parts stores in PA make you log your info, but Ive never had such an issue.

Where I live now, we have a hazmat collection point in town. There is always a LOT of oil, coolant, batteries and tires there. Its all anonymous, we usually drop ours off late at night.

Id bet that most people who dump their oil are real idiots. Perhaps illegal or just third world trash who do here as they did there. Seriously... nothing wrong with them coming and wanting to succeed, but I see a lot of this. Joe sixpack dumping oil at the back of his property is contaminating his wellwater, so will be dealt with naturally.

Frankly, I think that the paradigm shift in thought and process has been underway since at least the mid-1980s. Recycling, dealing properly with trash, etc. is a topic that is well-engrained into our minds these days.

Years and years ago, people dumped grbage out their windows, they dumped their chamber pots into the street. People have become better informed and have improved their own processes since then. The problem with oil is that it doesnt stink, it doesnt stand out, and from any one engine or family's couple cars, it is a very small quantity to deal with, so those who do not think about it see it as a drop in the bucket.

I can see how deposit/refund doesnt work all that well for oil. However, that said, there are places where Ive had to pay a bottle deposit but then bottle recycling is a no-money operation... i.e. you can only return the product to specific places to get money, but can return it anywhere practically to get rid of it. Such a model would have the be it, since otherwise it is an undue burden. Otherwise, a hazmat or recycling fee could be levied. Let's face it, getting rid of this stuff is NOT free. Even if used in a burner or something, there is still labor and effort involved.

So, I see a few models:
-the effort/reward process: you have to pay a meager "deposit" on the oil, like you do on a bottle. You can return oil to this same place to recoup the deposit, but since only specific locations will pay, but there are many, many non-paying sites, it maintains simplicity while still offering a reward.

-A mailorder clause: I can see where folks such as Amsoil dealers would be against a deposit. However, what if there was a waiver? What if oil recycling was handled on a state or local level, but there was an overarching EPA regulation providing waivers? A receipt for mail-order oil would be all that is necessary, and then any location would have to take it and pay back a deposit. Since the deposit would be from a general fund, the money wouldnt be theirs anyway (kind of like when a corner store pays out a $500 lottery winner). For everyone else, it would be business as usual - deposit (potentially large) on oil get it back upon return. Since chances are folks taking the effort to mail-order oil are cognizant, they arent the ones to worry about - let them have a simple process to use any refund site. Its the other ignorant folks who arent aware of the need to recycle. Also, not getting a deposit back because of burned oil is a driver for proper maintenance, so it is a winner. Im not advocating against older cars, just against an poorly maintained/driven car.

-Increased vigilance: supposedly they can trace antifreeze back to peoples' homes. If something is put in a drain, it should be able to be traced. This would work for putting it down the drain, but not for draining it elsewhere, so it is weak.

-Increased training: paradigm shift that gets to all elements of society.

-A Hazmat surcharge: Like shops charge consumers, and a fee like most others, I think it would be reasonable to have a hazmat surcharge on oil. This surcharge wouldnt be refundable, but it would be a fee that would make people more cognizant of their oil's disposition. The fee paid would be used to make oil disposal wider spread, and offset the cost of doing so. It would enable, say, a collection point in every town instead of in limited locations or only at one spot in a county. It would offset the costs to retailers too, making them better endorse the offer to recycle oil.

Just some thoughts...
 
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Good ideas ..but the surcharge thing is considered opportunity for empire building for a bureaucracy. Each and every electronic inspection (IM) pays a (last number) $6 fee to maintain the streamlined inspection database. A penalty for the vendor on something that saves the state millions in paperwork. Two things come out of it. Either they add enough attachments/enhancements that the initial fee enabled that the longer term costs require more jacking ..or they "defund" it all together putting more and more burden on the fee.

I'd say collect a fee for refund and then issue licenses for approved collecting under bid.

Right now in PA we pay to recycle. Nothing but a couple of items appear to really be recycled (aluminum, and perhaps pressed cardboard/newspaper) ..otherwise it appears to be cached at the same landfill (according to trash truck/recycle truck drivers).

If the Federal government didn't require recycling at all ..but merely entered into a CAFE type progressive standard for % of post consumer material used in packaging ...then it would create demand for such materials ..and recyclers would be bidding for the right to collect it. If that same legislation mandated in that 5 years (whatever - I'm sure they would consult their pals first) all packaging either had to be 100% recycled material or "perpetually" recyclable material ...problem solves. New materials would be used and/or created ..technologies ..etc..etc. The problem would, in theory, take care of itself. Right now I'm surprised we don't have some progressive type thing going on that turns plastics into park benches or undersea erosion control/reef substrata.

I guess if you mandated that 25% (start @ 5% and have it progress) of the stuff sold had to be recycled oil, that would work. It would then be discounted and "pushed through" the market and it would create demand for the used oil ..or at least another viable outlet. You'll have the usual graft involved with magic companies all of a sudden being perfectly timed to step right in as though they formed the legislation themselves (cough-cough) ..but that's the way it goes.
 
Love Kragen, they don't care how much you bring in at a time. I once saved 10 gals and bought them in all at once. They told me where the tank is, I walked into the back, starting dumping one 5 gal jug, then another 5 gal jug. Bring the jugs back home and wait for another 9 months.
 
Originally Posted By: XS650
Originally Posted By: daves66nova
Originally Posted By: Duffman77
Originally Posted By: dargo
Originally Posted By: Duffman77


I was thinking like $1/qt. so it would be worthwhile.
then people would start adding junk to their recycled oil to make more.


The law of unintended consequences strikes again.

That is the American way, isn't it? I forsee Bob having a BITOG bailout -er- recovery plan drawn up.
I've always recycled. AAP is very good in my town for taking whatever I have. I do sign the book, well actually, I have, many of my friends have, Weird Al Yankovic has, there is even an entry from G.W.Bush on Pennsylvania Ave in the record.... Somebody has to recycle so that Safety-Kleen can supply the market with recycled oil, right?
 
I donate my used oil to a construction equipment dealership who has three EPA approved used oil burners in their shop that they use for heat.

They have a 3000 gallon tank to store it in, and will gladly take any amount of used oil, used hydraulic oil, used gear oil, old stale diesel fuel.... it all burns.
 
I recycle mine at OReillys or Advanced. My dad though uses his to keep the corner posts from rotting.. on occasion to kills weeds. But he lives on a farm.
 
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I recycle mine at OReillys or Advanced. My dad though uses his to keep the corner posts from rotting.. on occasion to kills weeds. But he lives on a farm.
It is not being wasted.
 
There's a transfer station right in my town. They have a big tank to dump oil into. They also have another tank for antifreeze. For my oil filters, I take them to the Valvoline Instant Oil Change. They have a dumpster right outside that's specifically just for oil filters. I'm not sure what they do with them, but I'm sure it's better than throwing them in the trash. I stop by there at night when they're closed. Those guys are like pushy car salesman.
 
I believe that recycling oil is the way to go. What sucks is that no one else where I live does. The curbside trashmen won't pick it up, the garages don't want to take it, Autozone and Advance are SUPPOSED to take it, but usually they want you to fill out three pages of paperwork OR they tell you that they've reached their limit for the day, please come back tomorrow.

What I used to do was accumulate several re-filled jugs of used oil or other fluids and put them all in a box and haul them to the dump, which had a big vat for the fluids. They've stopped doing that (citing new EPA regs) and nobody here wants my oil!

I found one shop that takes used oil, but they want it ONLY in the gallon jugs from your fresh oil. No re-used quarts, milk jugs, etc. Not all of my used oil goes back into a gallon jug, most times it finds it's way back into quarts. [censored], sometimes old Pepsi 2 liters.

So my new routine is if I do several oil changes around the same time, I throw all the containers in a box and leave it on the curb outside of Autozone. They even have a sign up now, DO NOT ANONYMOUSLY DEPOSIT USED OIL AFTER HOURS. I feel kind of like a criminal doing that, but it's the only thing I know to do.

If I've got four quarts of used oil in my drain pan, it goes on yard duty and gets to kill some weeds and ant hills. I also hate to do this, but if the EPA and local government won't come up with a convenient way to dispose of it, what else is there to do?

A deposit and return on used oil I think won't deter people from dumping back into the ground. I think more people would be apt to recycle if there were easier ways to get rid of it IMO.
 
For all this talk about people who don't know what to do with used motor oil, I'm trying to figure out a way to heat my house with it. I see it as free fuel.

Right now I have a natural gas furnace that activates automatically with a thermostat. I can't really use a shop-type oil burner for my home. I need a thermostatically controlled oil burner.

My bill peaks out at $200 per month, so the economics driving this isn't all that great. But if I can figure it out, I just may buy the McMansion I always wanted.
 
I have a hard time understanding why NC is giving such a hard time to Kingrob for used oil. Right here in CA everyone takes it and even the garbage man will pick it up if you put it in a milk jug along with your trash can on the curb.
 
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