Why doesn't Mobil have a 5w-40 that meets Ford spec?
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Is that to imply that Ford has a 5w-40 happy dance with Shell/Rotella and Valvoline, but Ford and Mobil do not? I mean, the Mobil Extreme has the F1 cert, just not the ESP. As does Chevron with XSP 15w-40, but not the 5w-40.
In one thread, we say that API certs are garbage and only the manufacturer certs matter. Then in another thread, we say manufacturer certs are business deals where checks get signed (more like nascar endorsements) and mean nothing. And then in another thread we assert that we can gather everything there is to know about an oil from a few PPM numbers on a $40 blackstone VOA.
I would guess, in order to get your oil F1 approved, you need to submit the oil and some money to pay for the testing (to Ford and/or the independent test labs). Mobil and Chevron figured it was worthwhile to submit their 15w-40 grades, but the business opportunity was limited WRT their 5w-40. Shell and Valvoline submitted more than one grade.
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Ford owners in Canada can use 5w40 Duron.
Their 0w40 meets ford spec.
Good explanation Johnmyster, I figured it had to do with the royalties paid to Ford. Correct about the different input... Amazing how many people thought it was a good idea to leave the initial factory fill in for a full 10K mile oci, then a true professional like Lake Speed Jr informs the world it is a bad idea not to dump the initial fill in the first 1k miles if not sooner (which was already old news among engine builders). He made a lot of people look like fools.
It might be like their Extreme 15w-40...doesn't have the cert at first but gets it later...we'll see I guess.
It might be like their Extreme 15w-40...doesn't have the cert at first but gets it later...we'll see I guess.
I'm not claiming I know what I'm talking about. It's just a WAG, and not really an answer to your question. If ESP or Delo XSP 5w-40 were submitted for F1 testing, would they pass? (Aside from Delo being only 800 ppm phosphorous.) We may never know. They are CK4 and carry all the other important certs, so no clues there.
Extreme and Delo 15w-40 might have changed formulation to meet F1. Or perhaps they just decided to pay up.
There's a fine line between "fee to submit your product for testing" and "royalty for endorsement," but in either case the manufacturer has to guess at the ROI. Pick which way you want to see it. There are many trucks in the world, very few are driven by Ford owners that know/desire/care to look for the F1 approval. Since you can buy motorcraft branded oil at the store, the F1 spec could be used as a crafty way to limit competition.
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I don't know about that. Even among owners that know next to nothing about oil, Among ford diesel owners, that spec is very widely known.
Since it appears you’re into believing all the clickbait on YT, DO NOT go looking for Scotty Kilmer videos…. You’ll be driving a horse drawn carriage by the end of the day!
Most wouldn't consider a triboligist who engineered oils for JGR virtually eliminating a rash of their engine failures as click bait. Scotty Kilmer on the other hand, yea...he's a special one indeed.
You don’t read many of the threads on here about his YT stuff, do you? Several threads/links to his videos have been removed because that’s exactly what they were.
As long as it doesn't relate to sponsorship, then sure. Still 10X better than the bogus "table-top" testers that throw on a white coat.
Best I can tell Ford's WSS specs have the viscosity baked in. So unless you know of a Ford with 5W-40 requirement there will not be a WSS spec.
Except that Rotella and Valvoline both carry F1 on their 5w-40, so clearly the F1 spec doesn't exclude the grade. It can't be baked in.
And a 2016 powerstroke seems to require the grade below 0 F, unless one has a source for 0w-30/40.
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