Why does Rotella T6 cost less than other Synthetics? Is it a true Group 3/4 synthetic? Is it a bad option, whether gas or diesel?
Why does Rotella T6 cost less than others?
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If your comparing it at Walmart, its only a gallon jug. I've used it on everything including tiny corolla engines that tick, consume oil, etc. Worked well on everything. Very quiet, smooth
And compared to other HDEO synthetics, it seems to have better retail availability, which doesn't hurt pricing, either.
I don't think they have to hump it by sponsering race cars
and other PR gimmicks because folks know it's good oil , and most T6 customers are buying it in large quantities which lowers the per quart overhead. Sometimes the BETTER product is not the most heavilly advertised one.
and other PR gimmicks because folks know it's good oil , and most T6 customers are buying it in large quantities which lowers the per quart overhead. Sometimes the BETTER product is not the most heavilly advertised one.
I am thinking on trying it in my 5.3L but am not sure if it will hurt anything?
Is roughly 66% more than Rotella T 15W40. Times 3 gallons would make the oil change a $75 oil change for me. I will do a UOA at 6000 for Rotella T and see how its faring.
Originally Posted By: WillB
I am thinking on trying it in my 5.3L but am not sure if it will hurt anything?
It's not optimal, since it specified a 5w30, if I recall correctly. It's not going to hurt anything, though, and is a high quality oil.
I am thinking on trying it in my 5.3L but am not sure if it will hurt anything?
It's not optimal, since it specified a 5w30, if I recall correctly. It's not going to hurt anything, though, and is a high quality oil.
It's a 5 w 40, and SM rated. It just isn't dyed purple. What's not to like.
Didn't hurt my little 1.8L aluminum corolla engine with 160k on it. Its a synthetic with high levels of zzdp and detergent. Shell approves it for PCMO use, states it meets a PCMO API of SM
Actually when I went to Wal Mart, they had RTS for ~$22 and they had synthetic Chevron Delo 5w40 for $20.
And if you read the UOA section, RTS is a very good oil for gas and diesel engines.
And if you read the UOA section, RTS is a very good oil for gas and diesel engines.
Originally Posted By: WillB
Why does Rotella T6 cost less than other Synthetics? Is it a true Group 3/4 synthetic? Is it a bad option, whether gas or diesel?
Because they use one of the cheapest additive packs used in the industry.
Delo or Delvac would be a much better choice !
Why does Rotella T6 cost less than other Synthetics? Is it a true Group 3/4 synthetic? Is it a bad option, whether gas or diesel?
Because they use one of the cheapest additive packs used in the industry.
Delo or Delvac would be a much better choice !
Originally Posted By: skellyman
Originally Posted By: WillB
Why does Rotella T6 cost less than other Synthetics? Is it a true Group 3/4 synthetic? Is it a bad option, whether gas or diesel?
Because they use one of the cheapest additive packs used in the industry.
Delo or Delvac would be a much better choice !
How did you come up with the Data to quantify this statement?
Originally Posted By: WillB
Why does Rotella T6 cost less than other Synthetics? Is it a true Group 3/4 synthetic? Is it a bad option, whether gas or diesel?
Because they use one of the cheapest additive packs used in the industry.
Delo or Delvac would be a much better choice !
How did you come up with the Data to quantify this statement?
Originally Posted By: skellyman
Originally Posted By: WillB
Why does Rotella T6 cost less than other Synthetics? Is it a true Group 3/4 synthetic? Is it a bad option, whether gas or diesel?
Because they use one of the cheapest additive packs used in the industry.
Delo or Delvac would be a much better choice !
Huh?
Originally Posted By: WillB
Why does Rotella T6 cost less than other Synthetics? Is it a true Group 3/4 synthetic? Is it a bad option, whether gas or diesel?
Because they use one of the cheapest additive packs used in the industry.
Delo or Delvac would be a much better choice !
Huh?
Originally Posted By: dave1251
How did you come up with the Data to quantify this statement?
Believe it or not, in some ways he's right. But, that depends upon what one is comparing it to. If one compares it to Delvac 1 5w-40, the Delvac is more expensive, much harder to find, at least seems to be Group IV based, and might have the edge in certifications, and is used in some M1 0w-40 applications.
For the average person, though, they're never going to notice the difference.
How did you come up with the Data to quantify this statement?
Believe it or not, in some ways he's right. But, that depends upon what one is comparing it to. If one compares it to Delvac 1 5w-40, the Delvac is more expensive, much harder to find, at least seems to be Group IV based, and might have the edge in certifications, and is used in some M1 0w-40 applications.
For the average person, though, they're never going to notice the difference.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: skellyman
Originally Posted By: WillB
Why does Rotella T6 cost less than other Synthetics? Is it a true Group 3/4 synthetic? Is it a bad option, whether gas or diesel?
Because they use one of the cheapest additive packs used in the industry.
Delo or Delvac would be a much better choice !
How did you come up with the Data to quantify this statement?
Yeah, a NICKEL less per 100 gallons cheaper.
Originally Posted By: skellyman
Originally Posted By: WillB
Why does Rotella T6 cost less than other Synthetics? Is it a true Group 3/4 synthetic? Is it a bad option, whether gas or diesel?
Because they use one of the cheapest additive packs used in the industry.
Delo or Delvac would be a much better choice !
How did you come up with the Data to quantify this statement?
Yeah, a NICKEL less per 100 gallons cheaper.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: dave1251
How did you come up with the Data to quantify this statement?
Believe it or not, in some ways he's right. But, that depends upon what one is comparing it to. If one compares it to Delvac 1 5w-40, the Delvac is more expensive, much harder to find, at least seems to be Group IV based, and might have the edge in certifications, and is used in some M1 0w-40 applications.
For the average person, though, they're never going to notice the difference.
I am sorry but the quality of Oronite and Royal Dutch Shell Plc are both tops in the industry factor this along with all the additive and base oil trading that each company engages with each other who knows when you buy a jug of Rotella or a Jug of Delo you are not getting an additive and/or base stock from Chevron or Shell respectively.
Originally Posted By: dave1251
How did you come up with the Data to quantify this statement?
Believe it or not, in some ways he's right. But, that depends upon what one is comparing it to. If one compares it to Delvac 1 5w-40, the Delvac is more expensive, much harder to find, at least seems to be Group IV based, and might have the edge in certifications, and is used in some M1 0w-40 applications.
For the average person, though, they're never going to notice the difference.
I am sorry but the quality of Oronite and Royal Dutch Shell Plc are both tops in the industry factor this along with all the additive and base oil trading that each company engages with each other who knows when you buy a jug of Rotella or a Jug of Delo you are not getting an additive and/or base stock from Chevron or Shell respectively.
I can't say much about the Chevron Delo. I was speaking of the Delvac 1, which is a pretty different animal from a lot of other synthetic HDEOs (particularly with respect to certifications), including their own M1 TDT.
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Originally Posted By: WillB
Why does Rotella T6 cost less than other Synthetics? Is it a true Group 3/4 synthetic? Is it a bad option, whether gas or diesel?
A few reasons, actually, why it's less expensive:
1) T6 is a grp III and not PAO, so the base-stock costs less. This is the same reason that Mobil now has their "Super" series of syn, versus the M1 series of syns; the "Super" syn also costs less than the Mobil 1 PAOs. Also, please note that Pennzoil, Castrol and even Amsoil have the same options. They all have a group III and group IV offering. So, because T6 is group III and not PAO, it's going to cost less than the other main competitors like Delvac 1, TDT, Amsoil HDD and DEO, etc. But, if I understand correctly, the Valvoline VPBE and Delo group III products are starting to become more cost competitive now.
2) Marketing. T6 is widely marketed, and sales volume can justify better "per gallon" pricing, especially when you see it mass-marketed at W/M. It's the same reason I see M1 0w-40 for $9/qrt retail at my local AZ store, but that very same M1 0w-40 product is only $6.50/qrt at my local WallyWorld. Volume of sales and marketing bulk purchase contracts. But again, competitors like VPBE and Delo syn are coming into their own, market wise. Those two were rare as hen's teeth a few years ago, but I have seen them out there on the shelves recently. It makes sense when you think about it; the T6 was all alone in the mass market, and now the market sees an opportunity to compete!
OK - enough of the economics lesson ...
The reality is that any fluid, any lube, any product under the sun, can be a good or bad investment, depending upon how you use it. You can over or under utilize any product.
If you use the T6 in conditions where it will succeed, and use it long enough to get your ROI, then it's an EXCELLENT product. T6 is neither superior nor inferior sitting on the shelf; it's a matter of how you use it, that determins how "good" it is for any specific situation. But in general, it is a very capable product that is very aggressively marketed, so it deserves the good reputation is has earned.
Why does Rotella T6 cost less than other Synthetics? Is it a true Group 3/4 synthetic? Is it a bad option, whether gas or diesel?
A few reasons, actually, why it's less expensive:
1) T6 is a grp III and not PAO, so the base-stock costs less. This is the same reason that Mobil now has their "Super" series of syn, versus the M1 series of syns; the "Super" syn also costs less than the Mobil 1 PAOs. Also, please note that Pennzoil, Castrol and even Amsoil have the same options. They all have a group III and group IV offering. So, because T6 is group III and not PAO, it's going to cost less than the other main competitors like Delvac 1, TDT, Amsoil HDD and DEO, etc. But, if I understand correctly, the Valvoline VPBE and Delo group III products are starting to become more cost competitive now.
2) Marketing. T6 is widely marketed, and sales volume can justify better "per gallon" pricing, especially when you see it mass-marketed at W/M. It's the same reason I see M1 0w-40 for $9/qrt retail at my local AZ store, but that very same M1 0w-40 product is only $6.50/qrt at my local WallyWorld. Volume of sales and marketing bulk purchase contracts. But again, competitors like VPBE and Delo syn are coming into their own, market wise. Those two were rare as hen's teeth a few years ago, but I have seen them out there on the shelves recently. It makes sense when you think about it; the T6 was all alone in the mass market, and now the market sees an opportunity to compete!
OK - enough of the economics lesson ...
The reality is that any fluid, any lube, any product under the sun, can be a good or bad investment, depending upon how you use it. You can over or under utilize any product.
If you use the T6 in conditions where it will succeed, and use it long enough to get your ROI, then it's an EXCELLENT product. T6 is neither superior nor inferior sitting on the shelf; it's a matter of how you use it, that determins how "good" it is for any specific situation. But in general, it is a very capable product that is very aggressively marketed, so it deserves the good reputation is has earned.
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Originally Posted By: dave1251
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: dave1251
How did you come up with the Data to quantify this statement?
Believe it or not, in some ways he's right. But, that depends upon what one is comparing it to. If one compares it to Delvac 1 5w-40, the Delvac is more expensive, much harder to find, at least seems to be Group IV based, and might have the edge in certifications, and is used in some M1 0w-40 applications.
For the average person, though, they're never going to notice the difference.
I am sorry but the quality of Oronite and Royal Dutch Shell Plc are both tops in the industry factor this along with all the additive and base oil trading that each company engages with each other who knows when you buy a jug of Rotella or a Jug of Delo you are not getting an additive and/or base stock from Chevron or Shell respectively.
While what you quote as a fact, is true of refined fuels, lube oil stocks are rarely traded as you describe.
While Royal Dutch Shell has some great products , Sopus is rather lacking on great base oils an additive packs for the North American market.
Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: dave1251
How did you come up with the Data to quantify this statement?
Believe it or not, in some ways he's right. But, that depends upon what one is comparing it to. If one compares it to Delvac 1 5w-40, the Delvac is more expensive, much harder to find, at least seems to be Group IV based, and might have the edge in certifications, and is used in some M1 0w-40 applications.
For the average person, though, they're never going to notice the difference.
I am sorry but the quality of Oronite and Royal Dutch Shell Plc are both tops in the industry factor this along with all the additive and base oil trading that each company engages with each other who knows when you buy a jug of Rotella or a Jug of Delo you are not getting an additive and/or base stock from Chevron or Shell respectively.
While what you quote as a fact, is true of refined fuels, lube oil stocks are rarely traded as you describe.
While Royal Dutch Shell has some great products , Sopus is rather lacking on great base oils an additive packs for the North American market.
Originally Posted By: skellyman
While Royal Dutch Shell has some great products , Sopus is rather lacking on great base oils an additive packs for the North American market.
You aren't giving any details on what you think is "not great." What's "rather lacking" about Shell XHVI base oils? What's wrong with their additives?
While Royal Dutch Shell has some great products , Sopus is rather lacking on great base oils an additive packs for the North American market.
You aren't giving any details on what you think is "not great." What's "rather lacking" about Shell XHVI base oils? What's wrong with their additives?
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