Why do many mechanics still think Kia is junk?

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We bought a 2009 Kia Sedona van in mid-2016. Gave it to the kids in late 2018. It's been a good vehicle. Very easy to work on, at least regarding basic maintenance. The plastic splash guard underneath doesn't have to be removed for oil changes, tranny fluid changes, or radiator drains, and the oil filter is a cannister-type up top. Spark plugs were not terrible, given that I had to remove the IM to get to the rear bank of the transverse V6.

The van seems to be quite rust-resistant too. And zero oil consumption to this point.

I do worry about the long timing chain in the V6, but that would be true of any engine of that configuration.

Overall, I wouldn't hesitate to buy another one.
 
Originally Posted by spk2000
Anyone that works on them or builds components for multiple auto manufacturers knows that Hyundai/Kia tend to use cheaper components. They do this to save money and they will usually work fine when new but as they age the lower quality tends to start showing up. The reliability reports you read about are not for car over 150,000 miles. Some people can get the miles out of them while many will not. I used to make transmission components and KIA used a lot of plastic part where others used metal. Brake pads and rotors tended to be smaller and wear out faster. You don't normally see as many high mileage Hyundai/Kia cars on the road compared to Toyota/Honda/Ford/GM as they build slightly higher quality that simply holds up better when driven slightly harder.

In terms of using cheaper components, the Hyundai Kona (base model 2.0L) engine, is Made in China .. to cut cost... I used to like it a lot but no longer.
 
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by JimPghPA
Recently my nieces Kia engine had to be replaced because the knock sensor failed and that caused the engine to severely damage itself. Fortunately it was still under warranty. So yes Kia engines still do go bad.

Wow, there was no "limp home" or failsafe value for the sensor input to prevent catastrophic engine damage?




There's no limp mode when the famously spin that #2 con rod bearing. Whatever they did with those Thetas it was impossible to fix or they would have back in 2012. I've Seen the Tick Of Death myself . The magic loose valve on a non adjustable valved engine🤔. They did come up with a special knock sensor a few years back with one of their many recalls. It picks up the tick of death and limits the car to limp . That way it will die at the dealer ( hopefully) instead of on the highway where that caged engine can cause a wreck.
We never had any gripes with the interior, Id compare it with the Honda from the 90s. Not elegant but ok otherwise. Steering was decent too but that cheap plastic bumper inside the column wears out so it starts makin a clunking sound when you turn the wheel. The brakes really need cleaning every so often like they say or the start acting up and the sway bar links wear out quickly. They use a plastic center...Ÿ in at least some of those ( I know, I melted one to see). When those wear the either clunk or at least on the rear cause awful tire wear. Been there done that too. Also what car ever needed part of the rear suspension removed so you can change a rear brake rotor. All that because you can't get a wrench on one nut without doing so. Very poorly thought out setup. That partly explains why you're going to pay more to get one of these fixed.
In my experience they followed the lead of GM with the Chevy Vega and created the Timex Watch of disposable cars. Not all that bad , [censored] I owned a 72 Vega GT in the mid 70s. That was a nice racy little car too until the engine crapped out which wasn't long . Just like the Vega buy a new one and trade within warranty for another new one and you'll be alright. Trade for another brand or when it's got some miles and you'll positively cry at what they give you.
 
Originally Posted by Driz
Originally Posted by kschachn
Originally Posted by JimPghPA
Recently my nieces Kia engine had to be replaced because the knock sensor failed and that caused the engine to severely damage itself. Fortunately it was still under warranty. So yes Kia engines still do go bad.

Wow, there was no "limp home" or failsafe value for the sensor input to prevent catastrophic engine damage?




There's no limp mode when the famously spin that #2 con rod bearing. Whatever they did with those Thetas it was impossible to fix or they would have back in 2012. I've Seen the Tick Of Death myself . The magic loose valve on a non adjustable valved engine🤔. They did come up with a special knock sensor a few years back with one of their many recalls. It picks up the tick of death and limits the car to limp . That way it will die at the dealer ( hopefully) instead of on the highway where that caged engine can cause a wreck.
We never had any gripes with the interior, Id compare it with the Honda from the 90s. Not elegant but ok otherwise. Steering was decent too but that cheap plastic bumper inside the column wears out so it starts makin a clunking sound when you turn the wheel. The brakes really need cleaning every so often like they say or the start acting up and the sway bar links wear out quickly. They use a plastic center...Ÿ in at least some of those ( I know, I melted one to see). When those wear the either clunk or at least on the rear cause awful tire wear. Been there done that too. Also what car ever needed part of the rear suspension removed so you can change a rear brake rotor. All that because you can't get a wrench on one nut without doing so. Very poorly thought out setup. That partly explains why you're going to pay more to get one of these fixed.
In my experience they followed the lead of GM with the Chevy Vega and created the Timex Watch of disposable cars. Not all that bad , [censored] I owned a 72 Vega GT in the mid 70s. That was a nice racy little car too until the engine crapped out which wasn't long . Just like the Vega buy a new one and trade within warranty for another new one and you'll be alright. Trade for another brand or when it's got some miles and you'll positively cry at what they give you.


The rear suspension getting in the way of the brakes is what my mechanic was really fuming about. I agree, poor setup.
 
I love Kia and hyundai......dont even get me started on German Audis.
So over rated not even funny.
$350 PCV.......that did not even last 3 years.
 
Sheer guess is it possibly more difficult to work on?

I recall my 95 Honda Civic that euro and domestic trucks only garages picked near my workplace/walkable. worked on with pleasure. They love ease of repair and no special tooling.
 
Originally Posted by Whammo

The rear suspension getting in the way of the brakes is what my mechanic was really fuming about. I agree, poor setup.


It was a while ago so I may be off, but I recall my mechanic had to pop the knuckle to do rear wheel bearings on my 2008 Hyundai Santa Fe AWD because you couldn't get to the bolts that hold the bearing assembly on otherwise.

I may have done that bearing in when I couldn't get the rear rotor(s) off during a brake job. I didn't know better at the time and beat the crap out of it. Then I couldn't back the P-brake shoes off enough and broke pretty much all the P-brake hardware.

Vehicle was 3yrs old with maybe 50-60K miles on it at the time. I did loose an ignition coil on the little 2.7L V6 and it was on the back bank requiring removal of the intake manifold. My mechanic got a replacement coil from Hyundai. Regardless, I kind of miss that vehicle. I liked it. Most of the other maintenance was easy to do on it.
 
Originally Posted by nicholas
I love Kia and hyundai......dont even get me started on German Audis.
So over rated not even funny.
$350 PCV.......that did not even last 3 years.



Agreed! I must know a dozen people who ditched their R8 for a Kona. A VERY smart move.
 
Originally Posted by MCompact
Originally Posted by nicholas
I love Kia and hyundai......dont even get me started on German Audis.
So over rated not even funny.
$350 PCV.......that did not even last 3 years.



Agreed! I must know a dozen people who ditched their R8 for a Kona. A VERY smart move.

Well, if you ask me it was a smart move. Probably can't even go 100 miles without soemthing needing to be replaced
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IMO Hyundai/Kia is bottom of the barrel, cheapest of the cheap. I have worked on a Santa Fe and it wasn't all that bad, though. Spend a few extra bucks and get something decent.
 
Originally Posted by Silverado12
IMO Hyundai/Kia is bottom of the barrel, cheapest of the cheap. I have worked on a Santa Fe and it wasn't all that bad, though. Spend a few extra bucks and get something decent.


Having had to sue GM for a lemon and had Ford replace the 5.0L in my truck, I'm curious what Hyundai/Kia vehicle you owned that prompted your opinion?
 
Originally Posted by Silverado12
IMO Hyundai/Kia is bottom of the barrel, cheapest of the cheap. I have worked on a Santa Fe and it wasn't all that bad, though. Spend a few extra bucks and get something decent.

Yes, KIA/Hyundai are cheap for the entry level models, such as Accent (the interior is very cheaply made). But, for their higher end models, the quality is gradually going up too. For example, I am impressed by the Stinger model as well as their Sonata. Both of these models, their interior material far exceeded my 2008 WRX and 2102 Camry (SE).
 
Originally Posted by 2008wrx
Originally Posted by Silverado12
IMO Hyundai/Kia is bottom of the barrel, cheapest of the cheap. I have worked on a Santa Fe and it wasn't all that bad, though. Spend a few extra bucks and get something decent.

Yes, KIA/Hyundai are cheap for the entry level models, such as Accent (the interior is very cheaply made). But, for their higher end models, the quality is gradually going up too. For example, I am impressed by the Stinger model as well as their Sonata. Both of these models, their interior material far exceeded my 2008 WRX and 2102 Camry (SE).


You mean the entry level models like the Cruze and the Fiesta?
 
Originally Posted by Whammo
Originally Posted by 2008wrx
Originally Posted by Silverado12
IMO Hyundai/Kia is bottom of the barrel, cheapest of the cheap. I have worked on a Santa Fe and it wasn't all that bad, though. Spend a few extra bucks and get something decent.

Yes, KIA/Hyundai are cheap for the entry level models, such as Accent (the interior is very cheaply made). But, for their higher end models, the quality is gradually going up too. For example, I am impressed by the Stinger model as well as their Sonata. Both of these models, their interior material far exceeded my 2008 WRX and 2102 Camry (SE).


You mean the entry level models like the Cruze and the Fiesta?

Yes, for Hyundai (Accent)! I rent a Hyundai Accent and Hyundai Sonata respectively. Accent is the entry model level for Hyundai group. The Accent under hood plastics are really really cheap.
 
Originally Posted by Silverado12
IMO Hyundai/Kia is bottom of the barrel, cheapest of the cheap. I have worked on a Santa Fe and it wasn't all that bad, though. Spend a few extra bucks and get something decent.


I'd take a Stinger GT2 RWD over any domestic car save a Camaro Z28, GT350, or Challenger SRT.
 
I owned a 2011 Sonata. Purchased new, daily drove it for 5 years/72,000 miles. It was my first Hyundai product and most likely my last. It had 5 recalls during those 5 years. One was to have a couple of stainless brake lines replaced. You could see the lines from the top side with the hood up and looking straight down. The dealer said they would do it at my next oil change. I asked how long it would take, they said it would be a 4 hour job. When I asked why, they said they had to remove several components from the engine to swap out the lines. I asked why they couldn't go underneath, they said no access. Uh, okay. Never had the recall done since the lines weren't leaking.

It had a constant electrical issue where the belt would squeal and the battery light would come on when driving in heavy rain. Asked the dealer about it at the 30,000 miles service. They said if it needed a new belt, it would not be covered under warranty since that is a wear item. They came back and said the belt and tensioner were fine and there was no issue. I asked why the battery light would come on, they said it was normal and not to worry about it. Great design! Lived with that for 5 years.

The thermostat failed, and was replaced under warranty with a new thermostat and a "redesigned" housing. Have never had a thermostat fail on any other car in over 30 years of driving.

Interior squeaks and rattles galore.

Non-warranty repairs were expensive. Dealer service started out superb, but as Hyundai popularity grew their service quality really went downhill fast. It was not uncommon to have to go back a couple of times before issues were properly fixed.

By the time I traded it, it was using 1 quart of oil every 800 miles (2.4L GDI), the headlights were delaminating/pealing, and the car was generally just slowly falling apart. It was serviced regularly every 5,000 miles at the dealer. I did engine and cabin air filters, wiper blades, and light bulbs myself since the dealer wanted an absurd amount of money for those services. Replaced the battery myself as well.

When I went shopping for a new car in 2015, I went ahead and test drove a Sonata 2.0T. The dealer acknowledged at the time that "we know your ownership of your 2011 may not have been the best experience, but we believe that the new 2.0T would totally change your opinion." After a 20 minute drive, I just couldn't bring myself to do another 5+ years with another Hyundai product. They even offered $6,000 off the top, and then with the trade-in the price for the 2.0T would have been a steal. I walked away.
 
After dealing with my daughter's 2004 Kia Rio for the three years she owned it, I have no desire to own one. I'm sure they are better now but that car was a POS and left a very negative impression on me. She bought it with 98,000 miles on it and it had just had a new transmission installed. It also continued to have running issues. She finally blew the engine at around 130,000 miles and it was a blessing to not have to work on it anymore.
 
KIA has come a very long way from where they started and I'd have no issue purchasing a new one (or any model after 2011).

I owned a very used and abused 2002 Optima SE (purchased at 106K) and ran it until the transmission died at ~135K miles. It was cheaply made but ran fine until the tranny died.

After many improvements in engineering and style, I purchased new a 2012 Optima SX Turbo (still my daily driver and well modified with performance parts) and have been extremely pleased and impressed with it. Very fun car to drive and looks/drives great! When I did have the infamous "Rod knock of death" engine issue at 76K miles, they replaced my engine free of charge and gave me a lifetime warranty (and extended it to all subsequent owners). I've had NO issues prior to this or after.

I'm a happy camper!

My daughter bought a used 2013 KIA Sorento at 40K miles in 2017 and now at 64K miles have had NO issues with it. Great little car, reliable, zippy and gets good gas mileage.

YMMV
 
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