Why did my Dog urineate on me?

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
You can keep a spary bottle like they use to mist plants on your belt at home filled with your urine( change daily )so you can be ready for the dog. The second it runs over and that leg goes up start spraying and hollering NO. Chase the little SOB and really let it know this is unacceptable.


You spray your urine outside and in your home if necessary? Do you warn other people of your urine-soaked dog, carpet, furniture, etc?


All you have done is try and antagonize people in this thread. If you have nothing constructive to offer to the OP why not save the sarcastic comments? The rest of us are are trying to offer some serious help to the OP with a very real and major issue with his dog. Grow up!

 

[Volvo_ST1]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
You can keep a spary bottle like they use to mist plants on your belt at home filled with your urine( change daily )so you can be ready for the dog. The second it runs over and that leg goes up start spraying and hollering NO. Chase the little SOB and really let it know this is unacceptable.


You spray your urine outside and in your home if necessary? Do you warn other people of your urine-soaked dog, carpet, furniture, etc?


All you have done is try and antagonize people in this thread. If you have nothing constructive to offer to the OP why not save the sarcastic comments? The rest of us are are trying to offer some serious help to the OP with a very real and major issue with his dog. Grow up!


I see. You seriously suggest peeing or spraying urine on a dog, and you think that's a proper training method. How sad is that?

expat's dog has done this twice in a year, it's not like he's doing it daily. Rather than spraying urine, I'd go see a vet, then maybe a pet psychiatrist or dog whisperer. Of course, you are at liberty to make your pets submissive in any manner you see fit, no matter how useless and disgusting.

Has the thought crossed your mind that this dog maybe has a weak bladder? Maybe he just can't hold it when he gets excited. My uncle has that same problem. Should I pee on him?

 

[Cup of Joe]

While I did not jump to dominate behaviour because of the urination what does have me convinced are the other behaviours that the dog has been displaying. What I see happening is the roles are not clear in the house from the dogs point of view so he is trying on occasion to assume the role as Alpha in his pack.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/alphadogbootcamp.htm

Behaviour that you will never accept from a large breed dog is often overlooked if the dog is smaller. A Welch terrier is not the largest dog so more then likely there are other unacceptable behaviours that have not been mentioned as of yet.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/smalltoydogs.htm

Once the position of Alpha is clear in the dogs mind it will be much happier and so will the owner. You do not have to wee on the dog but you do have to make it clear and consistent who is in charge.

 

[greenaccord02]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: greenaccord02
I don't think anybody has had trouble understanding the meaning.


Your low expectations are deserving of the low standards to which you willingly submit yourself.


I am now typing in an English accent.

See? I can try to sound smart, too.

 

[expat]

Again, Thank you for the (constructive) help guys.
Yes, I agree that the dog has exhibited some dominance issues.
We have been working with this for the past 2 years since we got him from a rescue. We have come a long way, the aggression, Food aggression, is now, all-but, a thing of the past. But as I have said I/we Jump on him at the first sign of such aggression.
I was just not sure that the urination thing was, or could be another way of showing dominance (it seemed a 'too human' response)
We will from now on, if we need to subdue him, roll him onto his back (after we have subdued him to a degree of calmness)
The [censored] on him thing could be difficult. As I have said, that has only happened twice, and about 18 months apart. both times in a public area. An instant response could put me in trouble.
I agree that part of the problem is, that being a small breed, he may, in the past, or as a puppy got away with a lot.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
Originally Posted By: NHHEMI
You can keep a spary bottle like they use to mist plants on your belt at home filled with your urine( change daily )so you can be ready for the dog. The second it runs over and that leg goes up start spraying and hollering NO. Chase the little SOB and really let it know this is unacceptable.


You spray your urine outside and in your home if necessary? Do you warn other people of your urine-soaked dog, carpet, furniture, etc?


All you have done is try and antagonize people in this thread. If you have nothing constructive to offer to the OP why not save the sarcastic comments? The rest of us are are trying to offer some serious help to the OP with a very real and major issue with his dog. Grow up!


I see. You seriously suggest peeing or spraying urine on a dog, and you think that's a proper training method. How sad is that?

expat's dog has done this twice in a year, it's not like he's doing it daily. Rather than spraying urine, I'd go see a vet, then maybe a pet psychiatrist or dog whisperer. Of course, you are at liberty to make your pets submissive in any manner you see fit, no matter how useless and disgusting.

Has the thought crossed your mind that this dog maybe has a weak bladder? Maybe he just can't hold it when he gets excited. My uncle has that same problem. Should I pee on him?


You clearly know very little about dominance issues with dogs nor what actually works to correct them. Dogs are not humans and do not respond to reason. They respond to instinct. The OP's dog is not walking over and pee'ing on his leg due to a weak bladder. He is not showing aggression because he had a bad day and needs to express himself. He is not smiling at the OP or asking him if he has any food stuck between his teeth when he bare's them in a snarl, etc...

This dog clearly has an alpha mentality and is at times attempting to show his dominance. None of the issues the OP has reported are really uncommon or hard to figure out. They can be hard to stop if the dog is really stubborn. To stop them the dog doesn't need a time out in the corner or a session on the couch with a shrink. The dog needs to be responded to the way the alpha dog in his pack would. The dog will either then figure it out and become submissive or it won't and the OP should consider moving on.

In a real dog pack pee'ing on another dog is asserting your dominance just as mounting is. The OP's dog is not pee'ing on him out of fear or due to a weak bladder. Those things certainly can happen but the dog isn't going to walk over and lift it's leg on it's owner because of them. It would just do it in the middle of the floor or on some furniture, the corner of a wall, etc... The act of doing it on the OP, coupled with the other issues the OP talks about, is a classic sign of the alpha mentality and trying to assert dominance within the pack. The fact it has happened both times in a social setting, with a known alpha mentality, tells me the dog is letting everyone know he is the alpha in the pack.

If this dog was in a real dog pack and tried to assert his dominance over the ruling alpha the alpha would not stand for it and it would be on in a heart beat. The OP needs to respond immediately when this dog starts this stuff as he has done. Spraying your dog with your urine is not fun nor clean but it is effective for this specific situation. Rolling the dog on it's back and forcing it to give in while holding the throat is another one but I would be cautious due to the doog showing previous aggression. You might get bitten.

Obviously mounting the dog to assert dominance is out of the question before you chime in with your amazing wit.

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
The dog is always the boss. Just look how every dog drags a slave behind him on a leash. The slave's job is picking up feces. Speaking of which... maybe the dog can be made submissive with the application of an enema.


A good dog will walk beside you, not pull the leash in front of you.

With cats though, slavery is unavoidable. They expect to be fed the kind of food they want, they expect their [censored] to be cleaned out regularly, and they will not be told what to do. They dictate the rules and the human obeys. I actually had a cat that animal control banned from leaving my house - kind of funny that a 15 lb. animal could have a bad enough attitude to have a "record" and "house arrest" with animal control.

 

[Volvo_ST1]

Originally Posted By: NHHEMI

You clearly know very little about dominance issues with dogs nor what actually works to correct them. Dogs are not humans and do not respond to reason. They respond to instinct. The OP's dog is not walking over and pee'ing on his leg due to a weak bladder. He is not showing aggression because he had a bad day and needs to express himself. He is not smiling at the OP or asking him if he has any food stuck between his teeth when he bare's them in a snarl, etc...

This dog clearly has an alpha mentality and is at times attempting to show his dominance. None of the issues the OP has reported are really uncommon or hard to figure out. They can be hard to stop if the dog is really stubborn. To stop them the dog doesn't need a time out in the corner or a session on the couch with a shrink. The dog needs to be responded to the way the alpha dog in his pack would. The dog will either then figure it out and become submissive or it won't and the OP should consider moving on.

In a real dog pack pee'ing on another dog is asserting your dominance just as mounting is. The OP's dog is not pee'ing on him out of fear or due to a weak bladder. Those things certainly can happen but the dog isn't going to walk over and lift it's leg on it's owner because of them. It would just do it in the middle of the floor or on some furniture, the corner of a wall, etc... The act of doing it on the OP, coupled with the other issues the OP talks about, is a classic sign of the alpha mentality and trying to assert dominance within the pack. The fact it has happened both times in a social setting, with a known alpha mentality, tells me the dog is letting everyone know he is the alpha in the pack.

If this dog was in a real dog pack and tried to assert his dominance over the ruling alpha the alpha would not stand for it and it would be on in a heart beat. The OP needs to respond immediately when this dog starts this stuff as he has done. Spraying your dog with your urine is not fun nor clean but it is effective for this specific situation. Rolling the dog on it's back and forcing it to give in while holding the throat is another one but I would be cautious due to the doog showing previous aggression. You might get bitten.

Obviously mounting the dog to assert dominance is out of the question before you chime in with your amazing wit.


Sure, mount your own dog all you want. Then pee on him, you dog expert. Now make sure expat does this to his dog, because after all he's the one with the bad dog, and he needs your help.

 

[Volvo_ST1]

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
The dog is always the boss. Just look how every dog drags a slave behind him on a leash. The slave's job is picking up feces. Speaking of which... maybe the dog can be made submissive with the application of an enema.


A good dog will walk beside you, not pull the leash in front of you.


Well, with so many dog experts it's amazing how many ill-behaved dogs there are. Also, do you not recognize a post made in jest?

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With cats...............

You didn't have to type so much there. That's a different topic.

 

[01rangerxl]

Take a Valium or something.

 

[LS2JSTS]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1
... My uncle has that same problem. Should I pee on him?


Your uncle pees on you?

 

[greenaccord02]

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With cats...............

You didn't have to type so much there. That's a different topic.


Take your own advice and get out of here. Do like he said and eat a Valium. It's the Internet. There are already enough trolls.

 

[Volvo_ST1]

Not only some of the dogs need to be house-trained, apparently.

 

[rpn453]

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
I don't see where he made any mention of physical abuse?

You can't reason with dogs. You have to speak their language. They understand "NO" and the smell of urine.


I don't think any dog would have trouble making the connection between peeing on me and getting kicked. I've been bitten by a few dogs, but they've never been aggressive to me after I expressed my distaste for their behavior. Any person or animal that "physically abuses" me can expect at least the same in return, and I consider it a more minor form of "physical abuse" to be treated like a punching bag than a toilet. I couldn't imagine an animal having the balls to walk up and pee on me, but I have had situations where dogs have lost bladder control when I first started petting them. I've learned not to get angry about that as they are simply scared and submissive in that situation. I also had a very young and excited little puppy pee on my shoe a bit while trying to climb my leg. That didn't bother me at all as it was obviously unintentional.

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
A good dog will walk beside you, not pull the leash in front of you.


By that standard my dog is clearly not a good dog, but that's okay with me because I enjoy his excitement and happiness at seeing me and going for walks and runs. He knows that I decide where we go and what we do, but he still wants to get there as quickly as possible.

 

[hr1940]

Urinating on a dog is not the way a dog should be trained. Contact a professional and they will teach you how to modify the dogs behavior. Your Vet can also give you some suggestions as to how to handle the situation and recommend someone that trains dogs. You have to remember that the dog is very intelligent and can be trained with love and praise. You would not want a giant bully urinating on you if you did something he did not like. A dog gives you unconditional love and it should be a two way street. They are like a child and you have to train them as to what is acceptable behavior. I have had dogs all my life and I have yet to find any reason for physical abuse or other types of abuse to control an animal. My dogs have been the small 8 lb. types to the 140 lbs. ones. It has taken time and patients to train them but well worth while to have a pet that knew the limits but did not fear that I would hit or kick them

 

[Volvo_ST1]

Thank you very much.

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: rpn453

I don't think any dog would have trouble making the connection between peeing on me and getting kicked. I've been bitten by a few dogs, but they've never been aggressive to me after I expressed my distaste for their behavior. Any person or animal that "physically abuses" me can expect at least the same in return, and I consider it a more minor form of "physical abuse" to be treated like a punching bag than a toilet. I couldn't imagine an animal having the balls to walk up and pee on me, but I have had situations where dogs have lost bladder control when I first started petting them. I've learned not to get angry about that as they are simply scared and submissive in that situation. I also had a very young and excited little puppy pee on my shoe a bit while trying to climb my leg. That didn't bother me at all as it was obviously unintentional.

Sorry, I misunderstood you. I thought you were saying that HEMI was being "mean" to the dog by spaying it with urine.

I agree, sometimes a good smack is needed. Nothing to hurt the dog, just to send a message. I've popped my roommate's boxer a few times for trash can offenses.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: hr1940
Urinating on a dog is not the way a dog should be trained. Contact a professional and they will teach you how to modify the dogs behavior. Your Vet can also give you some suggestions as to how to handle the situation and recommend someone that trains dogs. You have to remember that the dog is very intelligent and can be trained with love and praise. You would not want a giant bully urinating on you if you did something he did not like. A dog gives you unconditional love and it should be a two way street. They are like a child and you have to train them as to what is acceptable behavior. I have had dogs all my life and I have yet to find any reason for physical abuse or other types of abuse to control an animal. My dogs have been the small 8 lb. types to the 140 lbs. ones. It has taken time and patients to train them but well worth while to have a pet that knew the limits but did not fear that I would hit or kick them


I mean no disrespect but this dog is beyond love and praise training. If you have never had to deal with an alpha personality dog consider yourself lucky because they can be very hard to deal with. VERY HARD! They require a much different approach then a middle of the pack or bottom of the pack dog that is more submissive. I have been lucky and never had that problem to a major degree( my current BLF has a bit of alpha personality but it just makes her stubborn not aggressive or she would eb LONG GONE )but have helped a friend deal with a Golden Retriever that had a case of the "alpha's" really bad. It was very hard working with that dog and we had a lot of trouble with it afield( we hunted over it ).

The average dog wants to please it's owner and with patience and repetition you can usually teach them most anything. I agree that beating a dog into submission on everything is not the way to go( don't misunderstand me - my dogs are like my kids so I do not abuse them )but a physical response does have it's place in the right situation. IMO dominance related confrontations are one of those. You just can't teach and love your way out of those problems. That is the case here IMO. This is an aggressive dog that has exhibited multiple signs of dominant aggression in addition to the pee'ing on the leg. To fix that you have to respond the way an alpha pack leader would.

Pee'ing on the dog or spraying it with urine from a bottle is a specific response to what it is doing( i.e. pee'ing on it's owner's leg in a sign of dominance )and one that it will or should understand immediately not afetr months of "training". The dog isn't pee'ing on it's owner's leg because it couldn't hold it, due to excitement, for medical reasons, etc... It is doing it to assert it's dominance(IMO). That kind of situation needs an immediate response and it has to come in a way the dog will understand. You can't train an alpha dog not to assert dominance with praise, love, and patience. Just isn't going to happen. The dog needs to be shown, through methods it can understand, that the owner is the aplha not the dog. Once the dog understands that the bad behavior will stop.

 

[NHHEMI]

Originally Posted By: Volvo_ST1

Sure, mount your own dog all you want. Then pee on him, you dog expert. Now make sure expat does this to his dog, because after all he's the one with the bad dog, and he needs your help.


Clearly all you are doing here is stirring the pot. Instead of picking a fight with those trying to actually help, with some knowledge of how to do that, how about you offer up a solution to the problem if we are all wrong? You seem to know it all so what is your great wisdom.

And I did not say any human should mount their dogs. You are unbelievable. I was explaing how an alpha male can show dominance and mounting is one way. The point is dogs communicate differently than humans do. If the OP wants to stop the pee'ing issue he has to communicate to his dog, in a way that dog will get it, that HE is the alpha not the dog and that pee'ing on him will result in some bad times. He can roll the dog on it's back while holding it's throat until it submits, he can pee on the dog, or he could even kick the snot out of it. While I do not advocate #3 as the 1st response it has it's place at times as long as it is not taken to extremes where real harm is done. Responding to alpha dominance aggression with anything but the way an alpha dog in a pack would is a waste of time here IMO.

In the OP's situation you see a human and a dog. The dog sees 2 dogs. This isn't a Disney film where all the animals talk to each other and have human emotions and reasoning ability. Dogs are animals and they don't work like that. Humans can talk about problems and resolve their differences verbally( as a rule ). Dogs communicate through physical acts. They respond to instinct and learned associations.

The OP needs to teach his dog that HE is the alpha and the other family members are the alpha and the issues will stop unless this is an extreme case and the dog just will not get it. That too can happen in which case the owner needs to decide if they will put up with it or not.

 

[KrisZ]

I think that Volvo_ST1 is trying to show his dominance