Why did Ford go from 5W20 to 5W30?
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Originally Posted By: BufordTJustice
I have a buddy who runs a local repo operation and he runs F450s with Triton V10s. Has had 4 trucks cease up from piston scoring over a relatively short period...all of which were replaced under warranty by the dealer. They still force him to use 5w-20 (Penz Plat in this case)
4 trucks with seized piston skirts just from using 5W-20? Come on, man. I'm not doubting that he told you that, but seized skirts aren't a problem on any Modular Ford and many of these engines run hundreds of thousands of miles on 5w-20. I'm not the biggest fan of 5w-20, but something doesn't ring true here. There is more to this story than just the 5w-20 oil....
I have a buddy who runs a local repo operation and he runs F450s with Triton V10s. Has had 4 trucks cease up from piston scoring over a relatively short period...all of which were replaced under warranty by the dealer. They still force him to use 5w-20 (Penz Plat in this case)
4 trucks with seized piston skirts just from using 5W-20? Come on, man. I'm not doubting that he told you that, but seized skirts aren't a problem on any Modular Ford and many of these engines run hundreds of thousands of miles on 5w-20. I'm not the biggest fan of 5w-20, but something doesn't ring true here. There is more to this story than just the 5w-20 oil....
Having seen firsthand the difference in top end wear between 5w20 and 5w30 modular V8s, i would never use 20w in one. By 200k, 5w20 motors have flat spots on the cams that you can see with the naked eye and feel with your finger. 30w motors don't. Nor do they come in for timing jobs near as often. The higest mileage 5w20 4.6 i service has 250k and feels it. The higest mileage 5w30 4.6 i service has 645k, no joke. And runs better than the 20w engine. Both examples have 5k ocis and almost all highway miles.
The 2013 1.6 liters are still specd at 5w20. Will it hurt to run 5w30?
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Having seen firsthand the difference in top end wear between 5w20 and 5w30 modular V8s, i would never use 20w in one. By 200k, 5w20 motors have flat spots on the cams that you can see with the naked eye and feel with your finger. 30w motors don't. Nor do they come in for timing jobs near as often. The higest mileage 5w20 4.6 i service has 250k and feels it. The higest mileage 5w30 4.6 i service has 645k, no joke. And runs better than the 20w engine. Both examples have 5k ocis and almost all highway miles.
That's odd. Hundreds of thousands of Ford engines are on the road dating back 15 years and aren't having that problem. Including mine. UOA don't show high metals with 20wt oils either.
Having seen firsthand the difference in top end wear between 5w20 and 5w30 modular V8s, i would never use 20w in one. By 200k, 5w20 motors have flat spots on the cams that you can see with the naked eye and feel with your finger. 30w motors don't. Nor do they come in for timing jobs near as often. The higest mileage 5w20 4.6 i service has 250k and feels it. The higest mileage 5w30 4.6 i service has 645k, no joke. And runs better than the 20w engine. Both examples have 5k ocis and almost all highway miles.
That's odd. Hundreds of thousands of Ford engines are on the road dating back 15 years and aren't having that problem. Including mine. UOA don't show high metals with 20wt oils either.
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Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Having seen firsthand the difference in top end wear between 5w20 and 5w30 modular V8s, i would never use 20w in one. By 200k, 5w20 motors have flat spots on the cams that you can see with the naked eye and feel with your finger. 30w motors don't. Nor do they come in for timing jobs near as often. The higest mileage 5w20 4.6 i service has 250k and feels it. The higest mileage 5w30 4.6 i service has 645k, no joke. And runs better than the 20w engine. Both examples have 5k ocis and almost all highway miles.
That's odd. Hundreds of thousands of Ford engines are on the road dating back 15 years and aren't having that problem. Including mine. UOA don't show high metals with 20wt oils either.
There is a difference between (passenger car) typical super light duty use and heavy duty use, when push comes to shove.
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Having seen firsthand the difference in top end wear between 5w20 and 5w30 modular V8s, i would never use 20w in one. By 200k, 5w20 motors have flat spots on the cams that you can see with the naked eye and feel with your finger. 30w motors don't. Nor do they come in for timing jobs near as often. The higest mileage 5w20 4.6 i service has 250k and feels it. The higest mileage 5w30 4.6 i service has 645k, no joke. And runs better than the 20w engine. Both examples have 5k ocis and almost all highway miles.
That's odd. Hundreds of thousands of Ford engines are on the road dating back 15 years and aren't having that problem. Including mine. UOA don't show high metals with 20wt oils either.
There is a difference between (passenger car) typical super light duty use and heavy duty use, when push comes to shove.
I wanna stuff a 3.5L raptor ecoboost in a fusion and wear out some tires
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Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Having seen firsthand the difference in top end wear between 5w20 and 5w30 modular V8s, i would never use 20w in one. By 200k, 5w20 motors have flat spots on the cams that you can see with the naked eye and feel with your finger. 30w motors don't. Nor do they come in for timing jobs near as often. The higest mileage 5w20 4.6 i service has 250k and feels it. The higest mileage 5w30 4.6 i service has 645k, no joke. And runs better than the 20w engine. Both examples have 5k ocis and almost all highway miles.
That's odd. Hundreds of thousands of Ford engines are on the road dating back 15 years and aren't having that problem. Including mine. UOA don't show high metals with 20wt oils either.
There is a difference between (passenger car) typical super light duty use and heavy duty use, when push comes to shove.[/quot
Originally Posted By: zeng
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Having seen firsthand the difference in top end wear between 5w20 and 5w30 modular V8s, i would never use 20w in one. By 200k, 5w20 motors have flat spots on the cams that you can see with the naked eye and feel with your finger. 30w motors don't. Nor do they come in for timing jobs near as often. The higest mileage 5w20 4.6 i service has 250k and feels it. The higest mileage 5w30 4.6 i service has 645k, no joke. And runs better than the 20w engine. Both examples have 5k ocis and almost all highway miles.
That's odd. Hundreds of thousands of Ford engines are on the road dating back 15 years and aren't having that problem. Including mine. UOA don't show high metals with 20wt oils either.
There is a difference between (passenger car) typical super light duty use and heavy duty use, when push comes to shove.[/quot
Originally Posted By: zeng
Originally Posted By: tig1
KMJ1992 said:Having seen firsthand the difference in top end wear between 5w20 and 5w30 modular V8s, i would never use 20w in one. By 200k, 5w20 motors have flat spots on the cams that you can see with the naked eye and feel with your finger. 30w motors don't. Nor do they come in for timing jobs near as often. The higest mileage 5w20 4.6 i service has 250k and feels it. The higest mileage 5w30 4.6 i service has 645k, no joke. And runs better than the 20w engine. Both examples have 5k ocis and almost all highway miles.
That's odd. Hundreds of thousands of Ford engines are on the road dating back 15 years and aren't having that problem. Including mine. UOA don't show high metals with 20wt oils either.
There is a difference between (passenger car) typical super light duty use and heavy duty use, when push comes to shove.
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: KMJ1992
Having seen firsthand the difference in top end wear between 5w20 and 5w30 modular V8s, i would never use 20w in one. By 200k, 5w20 motors have flat spots on the cams that you can see with the naked eye and feel with your finger. 30w motors don't. Nor do they come in for timing jobs near as often. The higest mileage 5w20 4.6 i service has 250k and feels it. The higest mileage 5w30 4.6 i service has 645k, no joke. And runs better than the 20w engine. Both examples have 5k ocis and almost all highway miles.
That's odd. Hundreds of thousands of Ford engines are on the road dating back 15 years and aren't having that problem. Including mine. UOA don't show high metals with 20wt oils either.
Including 4.6 V8s in trucks, vans, and cars all over America.
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KMJ1992 was giving HIS experience in fleets with high miles, that he's seen personnally. Just like you can espoise your stellar experiences, this is another in a different field stating what he's seen.
How many consumer vehicles are still on the road at 200k miles to be looked at ?
How many of those owners would LOOK at the top end, let alone do a UOA ?
How many consumer vehicles are still on the road at 200k miles to be looked at ?
How many of those owners would LOOK at the top end, let alone do a UOA ?
Me
I don't even think of parting out an EFI engine short of 250,000 miles - usually. When I knock one down, you bet I look at the top end to see what's re-usable
I don't even think of parting out an EFI engine short of 250,000 miles - usually. When I knock one down, you bet I look at the top end to see what's re-usable
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Originally Posted By: Shannow
... How many consumer vehicles are still on the road at 200k miles to be looked at ?
How many of those owners would LOOK at the top end, let alone do a UOA ?
Many, including mine and my brother's, by far. No "top end" wear issues, either.
... How many consumer vehicles are still on the road at 200k miles to be looked at ?
How many of those owners would LOOK at the top end, let alone do a UOA ?
Many, including mine and my brother's, by far. No "top end" wear issues, either.
Wive drives an f150, 2010, we use 5w20,,,that engine has always ticked,, don't know why, lots of fords due that,, weird isn't it.
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Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
Wive drives an f150, 2010, we use 5w20,,,that engine has always ticked,, don't know why, lots of fords due that,, weird isn't it.
I also can hear the injectors on my Ford Duratech 4s. Sounds cool. 425K with 20wt oils and counting.
Originally Posted By: CourierDriver
Wive drives an f150, 2010, we use 5w20,,,that engine has always ticked,, don't know why, lots of fords due that,, weird isn't it.
I also can hear the injectors on my Ford Duratech 4s. Sounds cool. 425K with 20wt oils and counting.
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In my 07 Mustang i use 3 quarts of m1 5w30 and 2 quarts m1 5w 20......so i get a m1 5w 26? used this combo since i bought the car with 18k miles .....now has 55k.
Originally Posted By: oilchangeguy
The 2013 1.6 liters are still specd at 5w20. Will it hurt to run 5w30?
No.
The 2013 1.6 liters are still specd at 5w20. Will it hurt to run 5w30?
No.
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