Why cant people see things objectively
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They've made their identity indistinguishable from their ideology. Thus, when presented with opposing information, they don't see disagreement. They see an attack. So they double down, arguing their point louder, angrier, and dumber, defending nonsense like it's sacred scripture.
There's a manipulation factor as well. When a group of people rally behind a charismatic person, they're easily manipulated. Many won't admit it, but that manipulation feels really good. It's a natural high. It feels like societal pressure and all of your burdens are lifted off your shoulders with full trust in this larger than life figure. You (collective you) believe anything this person says and does when the manipulation is total. Facts don't matter to these people. They don't want to be liberated from the manipulation because that means they have to face reality again. They will go to great lengths to protect that manipulation so that they never have to touch grass. Nothing you can say or do will ever change their minds.
There's a manipulation factor as well. When a group of people rally behind a charismatic person, they're easily manipulated. Many won't admit it, but that manipulation feels really good. It's a natural high. It feels like societal pressure and all of your burdens are lifted off your shoulders with full trust in this larger than life figure. You (collective you) believe anything this person says and does when the manipulation is total. Facts don't matter to these people. They don't want to be liberated from the manipulation because that means they have to face reality again. They will go to great lengths to protect that manipulation so that they never have to touch grass. Nothing you can say or do will ever change their minds.
I read somewhere a paradoxical concept about this topic. It goes something like this. The fact that this is happening is good for our society at this point in time, and paradoxically it will ultimately become far less of a distraction. For many, beliefs long held "close to the vest" are now in the open. Things people wouldn't have said 10-20 years ago are bitterly spoken or written anonymously. So, as an observer, think of it as a purging, where the adolescent parts of ourselves are often in the forefront. Will it get worse? Yes, very much so in the near term. There is much deceit and self deception to be revealed. Extreme ranges of character and personality traits will be demonstrated.
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It's the same in politics and everywhere else. It's getting worse, because today kids in school are taught far less history, (which is fact based), and far more ideology, (which is not).
And when a older, supposed educated individual, (read teacher), starts selling it to them, they accept it as fact. And in many high ranking colleges today you are punished if you don't, (reduced grades). And in several countries even killed by the millions.... Again, fact based history proves this.
Call me crazy, but if something is so wonderful that you have to incarcerate or kill the person if they don't believe in it, something might just be, "a little off".
And when a older, supposed educated individual, (read teacher), starts selling it to them, they accept it as fact. And in many high ranking colleges today you are punished if you don't, (reduced grades). And in several countries even killed by the millions.... Again, fact based history proves this.
Call me crazy, but if something is so wonderful that you have to incarcerate or kill the person if they don't believe in it, something might just be, "a little off".
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Not at all. The idiots "educating" them are.
Just watch TV British TV in particular and it is easy to blame….someone
Are you an educator? Do you actually know how it works? Do you have a copy of your districts curriculum for all subjects?
Teachers have very little say in what they teach. There handed a curriculum and materials by the local board. There monitored by a curriculum leader and usually a principal or vice principal that there delivering the curriculum. The state likely tests every student with a standard test twice a year, and there are national tests in grade 3, 7 and 10.
If you don't like your school districts curriculum go talk to the school board - they have direct control of it not the teacher.
Don't believe a few nut job examples you heard on your favorite TV news as being the norm.
'Tis easier to fool a person than convince them they've been fooled. See also: 2020
A good example of this is the PTA, (Parent Teacher Association). 50 years ago it was a relatively large, integral part of the educational system in most parts of this country. PTA meetings were everywhere, and all the time. Today it is nothing but a shell of its former self.
And back then it was the teachers themselves that were the driving force behind its implementation and success. Because teachers valued parental input into the education system. They basically wanted to hear what the parents had to say as far as educating their kids.
Today these "teachers" don't even want the parents informed if the kid wants to change his / her / its gender at 8 years old. Today if a parent shows up at a Board Of Education meeting, they'll be lucky if their mike doesn't get cut, or worse be forcibly removed from the building, if they happen to oppose any of the sewerage they're pumping into today's classrooms.
And then there are the parents themselves. They're far from blameless. How many today actually give a hoot in hell what goes on in their kids classroom? When I was in K-8, twice a year my parents went to the school and had a sit down with my teacher. My actions, abilities, and progress, along with any disciplinary issues were discussed one on one.
Do you think that happens today? We have kids today "graduating" out of high school dumber than stumps. They are ignorant of basic knowledge questions that I would have never gotten out of the 6th grade not knowing. That's not because we're improving.
And back then it was the teachers themselves that were the driving force behind its implementation and success. Because teachers valued parental input into the education system. They basically wanted to hear what the parents had to say as far as educating their kids.
Today these "teachers" don't even want the parents informed if the kid wants to change his / her / its gender at 8 years old. Today if a parent shows up at a Board Of Education meeting, they'll be lucky if their mike doesn't get cut, or worse be forcibly removed from the building, if they happen to oppose any of the sewerage they're pumping into today's classrooms.
And then there are the parents themselves. They're far from blameless. How many today actually give a hoot in hell what goes on in their kids classroom? When I was in K-8, twice a year my parents went to the school and had a sit down with my teacher. My actions, abilities, and progress, along with any disciplinary issues were discussed one on one.
Do you think that happens today? We have kids today "graduating" out of high school dumber than stumps. They are ignorant of basic knowledge questions that I would have never gotten out of the 6th grade not knowing. That's not because we're improving.
No. Not how it works.
When was the last time you were actually in a public K-12 school?
The British today are pretty much responsible for their own demise. Just look at what's been happening over there in just the past few weeks. They let their mass immigration get so out of hand over the years, the fire departments over there are getting a good workout, and plenty of overtime.
It took long enough, but the people over there are finally waking up. And Ireland, along with the rest of Continental Europe aren't far behind. All of this is going to get far worse before it gets any better.
Read my post. I'm saying that's how it used to work. What's happening now is obviously not worth bragging about. We're seeing the results in the end product.
Yes, I read what you wrote. Your blaming the teacher and the schools. Teachers and schools do not control the curriculum the school boards and states do. My wife has been a teacher for almost 30 years and its been that way at least that long - really much longer.
There is more opportunity to communicate with the teacher than any time - meetings, phone, emails. There are several open house evenings a year.
The graduating kids out of high school that lack any skills. 2 reasons, first it the teachers are almost not allowed to fail anyone anymore. This comes from the school boards and parents not the teachers. The only time a parent shows any interest with my wife the teacher is when there failing, and usually to tell my wife its her fault, not the fact that little Johnny is only in school half the time and never hands anything in. The second is the kids in high schools self separate into Honors and not Honors. More descriptively - kids that want to learn and those that do not. Those that do not still graduate but are really there for free babysitting - see earlier comment. Not so different than my day other than the stupid kids who didn't want to learn dropped out, and now they get a diploma. No one cares about high school diploma anymore - now you know why.
Again blame the parents not the school. Education starts at home, quit expecting the schools to raise your kids. Schools are there to teach very specific things to kids that want to learn. Nothing more.
The teachers that talk about the things you mentioned get fired. Rather quickly in fact. Thats why you hear about them on TV. Its not the norm.
I agree with some of what you have said. As I said in my post, parents are certainly not blameless in any of this. But I don't see anyone raising hell about any of it. (Except for a few that make the news). Be they teachers or parents. The entire public educational system in this country has gone completely off the rails. And we are seeing the result. And none of it is good. And all of it has been going on for decades.
Then there is the very real issue, (or "norm"), of how the entire public education system has reduced the educational standards in this country, over and over again. Year after year. Instead of making smarter kids, they're making easier curriculums. The end result is dumber kids, "graduating".
And even with all of these standards being reduced on an all but constant basis, the U.S. is dropping in worldwide rankings in science and math by a large, ever increasing margin... And you're saying none of this can be laid at the doorstep of, "teaching". That dog won't hunt. Many, (if not most), of these teachers, "go along to get along".
It's a nice clean, cushy job with benefits, and taxpayer funded pensions and health care that most want to keep. And through all of this the taxpayers themselves are being charged more and more for less and less. Year after year.
Just look at what percentage of your property tax bill goes for "education" and the public school system. And most every district has the same lame battle cry every year..... "We need more money!" It's a never ending saga that most are getting sick and tired of hearing. Especially when they see the results of what that money is buying.... Or I should say, isn't buying.
"High school textbooks that used to be written at the 12th-grade level for 12th graders are now written at the 7th- or 8th-grade level. I cited a report that said that many community college teachers do not assign much writing at all to their first-year students because they cannot write. I revealed that the community college course called College Math is not college math at all, but is in reality just a course in Algebra."
https://www.edweek.org/teaching-lea...merican-education-standards-collapsed/2015/04
This article is over 11 years old. It has gotten far worse since.
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O.K., O.K. so, it's them?
There's a saying that the optimist often succeed and the pessimist are often correct. I don't believe any single genetic trait we have got passed down in the long run by accident, they usually serve some purposes.
It's human nature. We all want to be right because when we are "right" we tend to be able to lead a group's decision making to benefit us, and in competition those who have that believe tend to pass on their genes vs those who are more objective. I am not saying I am right, but that's what I think is happening.
I just don't give a darn these days about what others think, so whatever.
It's human nature. We all want to be right because when we are "right" we tend to be able to lead a group's decision making to benefit us, and in competition those who have that believe tend to pass on their genes vs those who are more objective. I am not saying I am right, but that's what I think is happening.
I just don't give a darn these days about what others think, so whatever.
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