Why are there so many AWD cars now?

Q: Why so many AWD cars now?

A: To compensate for the ever decreasing driving abilities of the average moron behind the wheel ...
 
My TJ driving out our farm road.
In 2WD.
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My wife’s 2009 was the absolute cheapest one on the lot. There's a big button on the dash you push to engage the AWD system, and it automatically disengages at 35mph.

The 4wd button is a software based locker for front and rear axles on 2009 RAV4. Your 2009 RAV is AWD otherwise as FYI.
 
Subaru used to sell FWD versions of their cars in Impreza and Legacy with total sales of 40k/year.

Now Subaru is 2022 has 562k in sales with vast majority AWD and a paltry selling BRZ coupe in RWD.

Mazda wishes a niche player wishes they had sales like that and it trying to tap into the market .
 
Did you buy the vehicle for the AWD or for other reasons and the AWD came with it?

Consumers studies have shown that one of the biggest reasons for buying a crossover/SUV is the increased ride height and visibility. Also the functionality of the cargo area. AWD is a secondary reason.
Not for the Awd but the 115 cu ft of cargo space…🙂
 
The 4wd button is a software based locker for front and rear axles on 2009 RAV4. Your 2009 RAV is AWD otherwise as FYI.
That does not sound correct--when I hear "front and rear locker" I think of something that locks the diffs. Pretty sure Toyota is relying on "electronic" traction aids here for what is otherwise an open diff: the brake on the spinning wheel is used to grab the spinning wheel, thus enabling torque to the non-spinning wheel. Still an open diff though, still sending equal amounts of torque to each wheel.

The button tells the (whatever controls the coupling that is what we'd think of in the transfer case, save the fact that there is no real transfer case, just a transaxle that somehow does both transmission and transfer case duty) to do 50/50 duty. Otherwise the car just takes off as FWD, kicking in RWD as slip is detected. Which is an awful thing to do in snow, to blow away front tire traction before bringing in the rears. By hitting the button you're telling it to engage the rear proactively, to not wait until it (too late) detects wheel slippage. [Maybe it kicks in the rear, the harder you hit the gas, and back when they had the V6, I suspect they again had different programming. Still. It's FWD biased.]

I'm guessing "snow mode" in other makes is doing something similar, biasing torque to the axles in an attempt to avoid wheelslip. It's just that many the CUV's are something of a slip & grip sort of AWD, which works for many people, in many situations, but... is still a slip&grip when anyone on this board really wanted a proper locked center diff in the first place. ;)
 
It’s marketing. People believe they need AWD so the manufacturers are giving it to them. Except that most lower priced / CUV AWD (FWD based) systems are pretty trashy and can barely move any power to the rear.
 
That does not sound correct--when I hear "front and rear locker" I think of something that locks the diffs. Pretty sure Toyota is relying on "electronic" traction aids here for what is otherwise an open diff: the brake on the spinning wheel is used to grab the spinning wheel, thus enabling torque to the non-spinning wheel. Still an open diff though, still sending equal amounts of torque to each wheel.

The button tells the (whatever controls the coupling that is what we'd think of in the transfer case, save the fact that there is no real transfer case, just a transaxle that somehow does both transmission and transfer case duty) to do 50/50 duty. Otherwise the car just takes off as FWD, kicking in RWD as slip is detected. Which is an awful thing to do in snow, to blow away front tire traction before bringing in the rears. By hitting the button you're telling it to engage the rear proactively, to not wait until it (too late) detects wheel slippage. [Maybe it kicks in the rear, the harder you hit the gas, and back when they had the V6, I suspect they again had different programming. Still. It's FWD biased.]

I'm guessing "snow mode" in other makes is doing something similar, biasing torque to the axles in an attempt to avoid wheelslip. It's just that many the CUV's are something of a slip & grip sort of AWD, which works for many people, in many situations, but... is still a slip&grip when anyone on this board really wanted a proper locked center diff in the first place. ;)
There is a transfer case in the front of the car, where the prop shaft attaches to, to connect to the rear open differential.

Here's a simplified diagram.

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Just forward of the rear axle is an electronically controlled multiplate clutch, the more it locks, the more torque it takes from the front. the AWD lock button just electronically locks the rear multiplate clutch at full lock to get 50:50 bias up to 25 mph.
 
The vast majority of Mazda and Subaru’s lineup are AWD now, and most of the used Lexuses I’ve been seeing are as well. It seems like there are a lot more full-time AWD vehicles than just a decade ago. Are these appealing to people who drive in the snow a lot? It just seems like you are paying extra for something else to go wrong. At least on my wife’s RAV4 you can turn it off when you don’t need it but that’s not the case with most I’ve seen. I read somewhere that many of the systems can’t tolerate even a small tire diameter mismatch, so if you damage a tire you have to replace the entire set?

I must officially be an old curmudgeon now because I want nothing to do with AWD vehicles other than a true 4x4 truck, and that’s not as a daily driver.

On Subarus with automatic transmissions, there's typically a fuse that can be inserted that will disable the electronically controlled AWD system and make it front-wheel drive. It's recommended when a compact spare tire is installed. No way of doing it with the manual transmission models, which use a purely mechanical AWD system.

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I don’t mind AWD on my Pilot and wife’s Tiguan. I can move about with all-seasons even on worst days, start on hills and go thru snow piles.

It is all possible with FWD however requires extra careful planning and thinking of where you go , stop and how you move.
 
Look at this “stellar” AWD performance :D.



I guess its better than most 2wd would do... Even my old Tracker with real 4wd would struggle with the loading dock situation as it had open diffs and no traction control(dragging the brakes manually does work). But yes, they are made to perform on real roads, not off road with one wheel in the air.
In snow at low speeds, even CRV AWD with all season tires will climb grades that 2wd with the best snow tires won't.
 
I was running some errands today with the ZR2 in the rain. Rear wheels slipped several times causing traction control to engage. GY DT's. It's not a very powerful engine either. You just have to baby it. There are times in weather like this where I much prefer driving the Subaru. Never slips. Good car to zip around in high traffic areas. Small, agile and great traction. That's what I like most about have the AWD. If I wasn't taking my truck off road I would have likely gone with the Ridgeline for the AWD.
Don’t have Auto mode ?
 
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