It's 20 year old Wisconsin vehicle. Just JB Weld it all back together.
Why all the Dislike for Chysler/Dodge/Jeep auto's
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It's 20 year old Wisconsin vehicle. Just JB Weld it all back together.
i also have a 2001 Ram 1500 4WD with the 5.9L at 125k miles. Live in Michigan. I think the whole front end minus brakes are original. Crossing my fingers! So far it seems ok other than some sloppy steering and of course rust everywhere. New axle ujoints, diff seals and hubs though.
I also own a 2004 Grand Cherokee V8 Limited with 150k miles. My wife’s DD. I’ve had to do a lot of PM on it and fix things here and there. But I think I’ve gotten most of the usual suspects at this point out of the way. She likes it so hopefully nothing major for a while!
Why I'm not a fan...
A friend has a 2020 Wrangler that has been in for service 8 times so far and some of the issues are still not fixed.
My brother had a 2016 Grand Cherokee with major issues by 10K miles. Needed a new engine by 25K miles.
Another buddy bought a brand new 2018 Ram 1500 and I **** you not, there was chrome window trim on one side of the truck and black window trim on the other side. He too has been in several times for warranty work.
Not to mention my local Jeep/Ram dealership looks and feels like a prison. Did I mention I have a friend who is a tech there and his exact words were, "I'd never buy anything I service"? Lol...None of that builds all that much confidence.
A friend has a 2020 Wrangler that has been in for service 8 times so far and some of the issues are still not fixed.
My brother had a 2016 Grand Cherokee with major issues by 10K miles. Needed a new engine by 25K miles.
Another buddy bought a brand new 2018 Ram 1500 and I **** you not, there was chrome window trim on one side of the truck and black window trim on the other side. He too has been in several times for warranty work.
Not to mention my local Jeep/Ram dealership looks and feels like a prison. Did I mention I have a friend who is a tech there and his exact words were, "I'd never buy anything I service"? Lol...None of that builds all that much confidence.
Hilarious, I own and know quite a few people with similar vehicles and none of these stories to share.
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The only time I will drive a jeep is when I get enough money to 2.5 vw engine swap a jeep.
Only then will it be reliable.
For jeeps, I don't see a reason to use a jeep for any off roading when you can just lift a jetta, convert it to four wheel drive (mk4 jettas preferred) and put off road tires on it.
Cheaper, reliable, higher performance, and stylish.
Only then will it be reliable.
For jeeps, I don't see a reason to use a jeep for any off roading when you can just lift a jetta, convert it to four wheel drive (mk4 jettas preferred) and put off road tires on it.
Cheaper, reliable, higher performance, and stylish.
Scotty doesn't like them either,
Scotty doesn't like anything but his POS Toyotas.
Say what you want about the Pentastar but it's a better engine than the 2.5.
Contrary to popular opinion, Jeeps do just fine.
Then you've never really been off-road.
Yes, no, hell no, and meh.
I think a stock Wrangler would leave a heavily modified Jetta in the dust on anything more intense than a wash boarded out dirt road
I feel like I have to post this again…
My Jeeps take a licking and keep on ticking.
Well, all I can say is my buddy has been a tech in the same dealership for 20 years and he says they're pieces of **** but he loves the job security. All kinds of stories about parts are not torqued down or missing bolts from the factory and the general opinion of management is who cares - they sell well.
In fairness, there are A LOT of Jeeps and Rams in these parts (not so many Chryslers or Dodges) and I know more people with Jeeps/Rams who have minimal issues or no issues but I can't think of any other brands where I personally know that many people who have had major/recurrent issues with newer model vehicles. The guy with the 2020 Wrangler has driven Wranglers for the past 20 years and had minimal problems which is why he keeps going back - he is very disappointed with this Wrangler. Look, I'm currently having a front brake job on a 2019 Lexus with 23K miles and nearly bald tires - I'm starting to not be a fan of any manufactures as I think cost-containment and profits are the number 1 goal everywhere but the above is my experience.
As far as FCA, it seems like when it's a stinker then it's really a stinker.
Stellantis
You just laid out Ford's business model! Not that GM, Stellantis, or anybody else is that much better currently...
Not a hater here but, my brother in law worked for Chrysler, his new vehicle had OBDII code in 2 weeks, his son Kevin, got a truck that needed Head work in less than 6 months
Look up 0331 head. I know it was mostly '99 and '00, but the '01s may have had the issue as well.
My first car was an 82 Plymouth Sapporro which had a Mitsu engine..and a 5 speed. Flywheel went out around 100k (bought the car with 32k). I drove that car like it was the last lap at Daytona. Dumped it to avoid fixing the flywheel.
2001 T&C - this was the smoothest driving vehicle I have ever owned. Also the slowest. Bought with 30k miles, sold to a dodge mechanic at 130k. Had a lot of minor repairs, alt, water pump, sensors. But the engine was buttery smooth and the trans was perfect when I sold it. I changed the oil and trans fluid A LOT on her ...and it paid off.
98 Ram 1500- bought it new and used it 100% in my landscaping business. Rear diff failed at 75k. Otherwise held up fine. Sold it at 90k to upgrade to a chevy 2500hd so i could pull a 24' enclosed trailer.
I love the looks of the new GC, may consider one if prices are reasonable in a few years. But I will probably just buy another Ford.
2001 T&C - this was the smoothest driving vehicle I have ever owned. Also the slowest. Bought with 30k miles, sold to a dodge mechanic at 130k. Had a lot of minor repairs, alt, water pump, sensors. But the engine was buttery smooth and the trans was perfect when I sold it. I changed the oil and trans fluid A LOT on her ...and it paid off.
98 Ram 1500- bought it new and used it 100% in my landscaping business. Rear diff failed at 75k. Otherwise held up fine. Sold it at 90k to upgrade to a chevy 2500hd so i could pull a 24' enclosed trailer.
I love the looks of the new GC, may consider one if prices are reasonable in a few years. But I will probably just buy another Ford.
Does the "Death Wobble" count?
Had a 2010 Wrangler 4 door, highway driving was awful. Noisy with soft top, bearable with the hardtop. Took three men and a boy to remove the hardtop. Putting down the softop was an exercise in endurance. Awful fuel economy. Even worse in the snow, except it would go, not alway where you pointed it, but it would go.
Had a 2010 Wrangler 4 door, highway driving was awful. Noisy with soft top, bearable with the hardtop. Took three men and a boy to remove the hardtop. Putting down the softop was an exercise in endurance. Awful fuel economy. Even worse in the snow, except it would go, not alway where you pointed it, but it would go.
You think the Wrangler is bad on the highway? I took a Camry rock crawling and it got stuck. What a turd! /s
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