Who's running High Performance Lubricants (HPL) products in their engine?

[Nayov]

Running the engine cleaner. I am 2K miles into a 5k drain interval.

In one of your 2021 Hyundais?

Quite a few of the BITOG illuminati are using this "cleaner" on their late model cars; cars which are over-maintained anyway and shouldn't need a cleaning.

 

[Drew7a]

Running HPL EC it in 4 vehicles right now.
Mileage range of vehicles 50K to 240K

plan on running EC around 2-3K.

Might be coincidence but one of the vehicles just yielded a P0011 code on a Chevy LS engine 30 miles after adding HPL EC, wonder if some crud got dislodged and plugged up the VVT oil control valve?

I checked all the usual suspects, connections, oil level, oil control solenoid (bench tested), all check out, I am left with the the oil control valve and the cam phaser. Which means tear down

 

[Skippy722]

I’ll be switching to it, aiming for 1 year for both vehicles. Van has seen about 13,000 miles a year, truck sees 13,000 as well. Annoyingly I need 13 quarts to do both vehicles, so I’ll probably buy a 4x1 gallon pack…

Maybe I’ll get the Super Car 0w40 (I’ve ran 0w40 in the pentastar before, and the 5.7 isn’t much different than the 6.4) and I can use the rest in the lawn mower?

 

[travis8352]

I’ll be switching to it, aiming for 1 year for both vehicles. Van has seen about 13,000 miles a year, truck sees 13,000 as well. Annoyingly I need 13 quarts to do both vehicles, so I’ll probably buy a 4x1 gallon pack…

Maybe I’ll get the Super Car 0w40 (I’ve ran 0w40 in the pentastar before, and the 5.7 isn’t much different than the 6.4) and I can use the rest in the lawn mower?

FWIW i run m1 FS 0w40 in my 5.7

 

[Blagoje]

2021 Honda Passport
HPL Premium Plus 0w20
Following Maintenance Minder, probably 9000-10,000 miles total

 

[Brian123]

Might be coincidence but one of the vehicles just yielded a P0011 code on a Chevy LS engine 30 miles after adding HPL EC, wonder if some crud got dislodged and plugged up the VVT oil control valve?

I checked all the usual suspects, connections, oil level, oil control solenoid (bench tested), all check out, I am left with the the oil control valve and the cam phaser. Which means tear down

Sounds like this cleaner is working. What oil were you using and what were your OCI's like?

 

[Propflux01]

In one of your 2021 Hyundais?

Quite a few of the BITOG illuminati are using this "cleaner" on their late model cars; cars which are over-maintained anyway and shouldn't need a cleaning.

Yes, on the Tucson.

That is, of course, up for debate.

 

[Astro14]

2002 Volvo V70XC. 285,000 miles. HPL 0W30 Euro.

Will change at the 7,500 mile (factory) OCI, examine filter and assess.

About to change the 2004 V70R over to HPL this week.

 

[wlk]

You going to cut the filters open to see how much debris they have?

Nothing of interest when I cut it open, very disappointed really, view from fill hole has not changed either. Hopefully it gets better. Fram had 800 miles of QSFS 5w30 it then I added 1 qt of HPL cleaner

 

[High Performance Lubricants]

Might be coincidence but one of the vehicles just yielded a P0011 code on a Chevy LS engine 30 miles after adding HPL EC, wonder if some crud got dislodged and plugged up the VVT oil control valve?

I checked all the usual suspects, connections, oil level, oil control solenoid (bench tested), all check out, I am left with the the oil control valve and the cam phaser. Which means tear down

Drew,

I am going to lean pretty heavily on the coincidence part. In 30 miles the oil will barely have enough time to come up to temperature let alone have any time to work. As long as you added it at the 1:5 ratio the ester concentration is in a very safe area. For this reason you will see people commenting on "nothing is happening, then eventually it does". It just won't clean that quick.

David

 

[Drew7a]

Drew,

I am going to lean pretty heavily on the coincidence part. In 30 miles the oil will barely have enough time to come up to temperature let alone have any time to work. As long as you added it at the 1:5 ration the ester concentration is in a very safe area. For this reason you will see people commenting on "nothing is happening, then eventually it does". It just won't clean that quick.

David

It was added at the 1:5 concentration. I got the oil control valve(OCV) pulled yesterday afternoon screens were not plugged. Installed a new OCV while I was it was out. Also replaced the OCV solenoid and camshaft sensor as well while I was at the timing cover area, so all related parts are new. Reset code and code came back on after a couple short drives.

After reading the All data diagnostic aids last night "The oil condition has a major impact on the camshaft actuator system", 3/4 of these problems can be attributed to oil issues according to the all data troubleshooting. "advise customer oil change may be required". Seems to all point to "dirty or degraded oil" which I get.

Got up early this AM and as much as it pained me to waste the EC, I dumped the oil with 35+ miles on it and dumped the as much oil from filter and re-used as it only had 30+ miles from a fresh OC. So far after 3 drives and several ignition cycles no code.

The 3 other cars are doing fine on the EC(one is closing in on 1K miles, other two are closing in on the 500 mile marks), is this engine just overly sensitive?, Overpaid $156 in parts from the local dealer (RA would have been 1/2 but they are out of stock) and it could have been as simple as wrong oil . I find it hard to believe that a mechanical part is designed to be this sensitive to oil given the wide range of viscosity ranges oil goes through just based on temperature alone.

My question could the properties of esters potentially cause this? The only other variable was I used a Chevron Supreme 5w-30 SP (not dexos for the original change since it was going to be a 2K run anyway), and used RGT 5w-30 SN this time around. Do I run this for a bit then experiment with another quart of EC? Spec is 5w-30 DEXOS.

 

[OVERKILL]

It was added at the 1:5 concentration. I got the oil control valve(OCV) pulled yesterday afternoon screens were not plugged. Installed a new OCV while I was it was out. Also replaced the OCV solenoid and camshaft sensor as well while I was at the timing cover area, so all related parts are new. Reset code and code came back on after a couple short drives.

After reading the All data diagnostic aids last night "The oil condition has a major impact on the camshaft actuator system", 3/4 of these problems can be attributed to oil issues according to the all data troubleshooting. "advise customer oil change may be required". Seems to all point to "dirty or degraded oil" which I get.

Got up early this AM and as much as it pained me to waste the EC, I dumped the oil with 35+ miles on it and dumped the as much oil from filter and re-used as it only had 30+ miles from a fresh OC. So far after 3 drives and several ignition cycles no code.

The 3 other cars are doing fine on the EC(one is closing in on 1K miles, other two are closing in on the 500 mile marks), is this engine just overly sensitive?, Overpaid $156 in parts from the local dealer (RA would have been 1/2 but they are out of stock) and it could have been as simple as wrong oil . I find it hard to believe that a mechanical part is designed to be this sensitive to oil given the wide range of viscosity ranges oil goes through just based on temperature alone.

My question could the properties of esters potentially cause this? The only other variable was I used a Chevron Supreme 5w-30 SP (not dexos for the original change since it was going to be a 2K run anyway), and used RGT 5w-30 SN this time around. Do I run this for a bit then experiment with another quart of EC? Spec is 5w-30 DEXOS.

Just a theory here, but it may use oil pressure and temperature to predict viscosity, like the HEMI does (though it sounds like the HEMI has a broader fudge factor).

Basically, the ECM contains a table with a plot of what oil pressure should be at a certain oil temperature and RPM and this corresponds with an expected "viscosity curve" for the spec viscosity. If your lubricant steps outside that significantly; if it drives up or drives down oil pressure outside of that acceptable range, this can trigger a code.

Since the EC is basically an SAE 30 IIRC, it may have turned your 5w-30 into a 10w-30. It has also likely bumped up the HTHS. Maybe that's enough for this system to go "nope!"?

 

[THORROMIG]

Currently have EC in Taurus in signature, presently 9xx miles aiming for 2000 overall.

 

[Revving2Redline]

2017 Accord Sport 180,000 miles
Bought the EC 30 2 quarts.
As I'm converting the transmission over to redline CVT, I'll be replacing the filters inside the transmission so I figured it would be a good time to help support one of our sponsors and get a couple quarts of this and use one right before the 200,000 mile service which includes the valves being adjusted if necessary and the spark plugs being exchanged. Will either continue using Mobil 1 EP or I will go back to 0w30 redline oil.

 

[ZeeOSix]

Just a theory here, but it may use oil pressure and temperature to predict viscosity, like the HEMI does (though it sounds like the HEMI has a broader fudge factor).

Basically, the ECM contains a table with a plot of what oil pressure should be at a certain oil temperature and RPM and this corresponds with an expected "viscosity curve" for the spec viscosity. If your lubricant steps outside that significantly; if it drives up or drives down oil pressure outside of that acceptable range, this can trigger a code.

Since the EC is basically an SAE 30 IIRC, it may have turned your 5w-30 into a 10w-30. It has also likely bumped up the HTHS. Maybe that's enough for this system to go "nope!"?

OP never said exactly what GM engine ... just that it was an LS. Not sure if any LS engines monitor the oil pressure vs RPM (ie, rough measure of the viscosity) - ?. He said he got a P0011 trouble-code (which is “A” Camshaft Timing Over Advanced, Bank 1), so whatever trips that must be pretty sensitive to the oil viscosity.

 

[OVERKILL]

OP never said exactly what GM engine ... just that it was an LS. Not sure if any LS engines monitor the oil pressure vs RPM (ie, rough measure of the viscosity) - ?. He said he got a P0011 trouble-code (which is “A” Camshaft Timing Over Advanced, Bank 1), so whatever trips that must be pretty sensitive to the oil viscosity.

Wonder if there's anyone on here who has run heavier oil in one of these?

 

[High Performance Lubricants]

It was added at the 1:5 concentration. I got the oil control valve(OCV) pulled yesterday afternoon screens were not plugged. Installed a new OCV while I was it was out. Also replaced the OCV solenoid and camshaft sensor as well while I was at the timing cover area, so all related parts are new. Reset code and code came back on after a couple short drives.

After reading the All data diagnostic aids last night "The oil condition has a major impact on the camshaft actuator system", 3/4 of these problems can be attributed to oil issues according to the all data troubleshooting. "advise customer oil change may be required". Seems to all point to "dirty or degraded oil" which I get.

Got up early this AM and as much as it pained me to waste the EC, I dumped the oil with 35+ miles on it and dumped the as much oil from filter and re-used as it only had 30+ miles from a fresh OC. So far after 3 drives and several ignition cycles no code.

The 3 other cars are doing fine on the EC(one is closing in on 1K miles, other two are closing in on the 500 mile marks), is this engine just overly sensitive?, Overpaid $156 in parts from the local dealer (RA would have been 1/2 but they are out of stock) and it could have been as simple as wrong oil . I find it hard to believe that a mechanical part is designed to be this sensitive to oil given the wide range of viscosity ranges oil goes through just based on temperature alone.

My question could the properties of esters potentially cause this? The only other variable was I used a Chevron Supreme 5w-30 SP (not dexos for the original change since it was going to be a 2K run anyway), and used RGT 5w-30 SN this time around. Do I run this for a bit then experiment with another quart of EC? Spec is 5w-30 DEXOS.

Did you by chance save a sample of oil? I don’t doubt the things you are saying but I will say with only adding 20% of the EC to a system it is hard to significantly move the physical properties of the overall blend. We can certainly look at the sample in our lab as we have all the equipment for J300 there. You won’t find that in a used oil lab. Looking at a sample would be the best opportunity to discover anything.

The ester concentration is too low in a 1:5 blend to be an issue.

Let me know if we can help.

David

 

[Drew7a]

Did you by chance save a sample of oil? I don’t doubt the things you are saying but I will say with only adding 20% of the EC to a system it is hard to significantly move the physical properties of the overall blend. We can certainly look at the sample in our lab as we have all the equipment for J300 there. You won’t find that in a used oil lab. Looking at a sample would be the best opportunity to discover anything.

The ester concentration is too low in a 1:5 blend to be an issue.

Let me know if we can help.

David

I am impressed you guys are offering to do this! I have the oil but unfortunately it is in an oil dolly with couple other oils, some trans fluid and brake fluid.

I ordered a six pack and have two quarts to go so I am not scared to use your product, In fact will order more when done. I think it is more this particular vehicle than anything. When they say right in their diagnostics 3/4 of the problems are caused by oil, advise an oil change first.

I don't think it is the oil but as Overkill might be on to something the ECM mappings are in such a narrow band.

If anything this makes me more confident with HPL and your products the fact you are willing to look into things!

 

[BigShug681]

Just ordered 6qts of the 15w40 CK4 oil for the 2010 Ford Crown Victoria. The oil seems to have a very good numbers for a 15w40 so I may be able to run it into the winter, the engine seems to love the 5w40 Valvoline PBE so this should work just as well if not better.

 

[High Performance Lubricants]

I am impressed you guys are offering to do this! I have the oil but unfortunately it is in an oil dolly with couple other oils, some trans fluid and brake fluid.

I ordered a six pack and have two quarts to go so I am not scared to use your product, In fact will order more when done. I think it is more this particular vehicle than anything. When they say right in their diagnostics 3/4 of the problems are caused by oil, advise an oil change first.

I don't think it is the oil but as Overkill might be on to something the ECM mappings are in such a narrow band.

If anything this makes me more confident with HPL and your products the fact you are willing to look into things!

If possible why don't you come to our open house in August. Bring a quart of the oil you put in the car. We can measure that, add the Engine cleaner and then measure that again. I think the result will be a small difference. The only way to know for sure is to measure it and see. We can do it during the open house. You and the other people coming can see how we do this. Let me know.

David

PS we need to collectively work on Overkill to get him to make the trip.