Originally Posted by AC1DD
Originally Posted by bachman
Originally Posted by Miller88
Originally Posted by 2010Civic
With a manual transmission I don't mind as much taking off with the revs up.
I believe that is the reason the pilot bearing failed on my Focus at 70000 miles. That car would race up to 2500-3000 RPM on cold start and stay there for 5-10 minutes on a cold morning. If I was in a hurry, I would just drive. The problem is, the engine would force itself to stay at 3000 RPM. So if I pushed in the clutch, it would race up. Every.Single.Shift. At least I could drive half way to work without touching the gas pedal.
That was also a lot of wear on the synchronizers inside the transmission, but mostly the pilot bearing and throwout bearing. That car was ridiculous with the high idle, but it had to maintain it's ULEV rating and that meant the cat had to be immediately lit off and kept to temperature.
My Forester is a lot better. It'll idle at 2000 for a few minutes, but if it senses the car starts to move, it'll drop the idle down to normal.
That would suck. I'm surprised anything in the mech interface lasted 70 k miles.
Nobody should feel forced or hurried to drive away with an engine racing at 2500 or more. That was a problem that should have been dropped in Ford's lap (dealership service) if it was always that way or purchased new.
With modern engines or newer cars/trucks etc... I'd consider 1500 to 1700 rpms even for a min or more to be excessive unless some particular design or manual specifies.
Yes, that Focus has a defect or issues with the idle control at cold start. Why he wouldn't complain is beyond understanding.
I brought it back to a few different dealers with that concern. It was a 2011 that I drove off the lot brand new. Each time I was given the same answer, it has to do that to keep the catalyst up to temperature. Traffic jams were the worst. Just creeping along in traffic, it would start to bump the idle back up and I would have to pull off to the side and let the thing figure itself out.
Originally Posted by bachman
Originally Posted by Miller88
Originally Posted by 2010Civic
With a manual transmission I don't mind as much taking off with the revs up.
I believe that is the reason the pilot bearing failed on my Focus at 70000 miles. That car would race up to 2500-3000 RPM on cold start and stay there for 5-10 minutes on a cold morning. If I was in a hurry, I would just drive. The problem is, the engine would force itself to stay at 3000 RPM. So if I pushed in the clutch, it would race up. Every.Single.Shift. At least I could drive half way to work without touching the gas pedal.
That was also a lot of wear on the synchronizers inside the transmission, but mostly the pilot bearing and throwout bearing. That car was ridiculous with the high idle, but it had to maintain it's ULEV rating and that meant the cat had to be immediately lit off and kept to temperature.
My Forester is a lot better. It'll idle at 2000 for a few minutes, but if it senses the car starts to move, it'll drop the idle down to normal.
That would suck. I'm surprised anything in the mech interface lasted 70 k miles.
Nobody should feel forced or hurried to drive away with an engine racing at 2500 or more. That was a problem that should have been dropped in Ford's lap (dealership service) if it was always that way or purchased new.
With modern engines or newer cars/trucks etc... I'd consider 1500 to 1700 rpms even for a min or more to be excessive unless some particular design or manual specifies.
Yes, that Focus has a defect or issues with the idle control at cold start. Why he wouldn't complain is beyond understanding.
I brought it back to a few different dealers with that concern. It was a 2011 that I drove off the lot brand new. Each time I was given the same answer, it has to do that to keep the catalyst up to temperature. Traffic jams were the worst. Just creeping along in traffic, it would start to bump the idle back up and I would have to pull off to the side and let the thing figure itself out.