I think the integrated oil companies and filter makers were giving us long lasting products
I’ve always want to know what’s actually in the sump of those engines. Do see many oil related issues anymore
NASCAR engines running 0w-20? Hmn....
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Nice, cheaper and better.
But besides the group 4 pao's aforementioned advantages, I believe it has another and that is it's "long drain" suitability. Never heard of GTL being mentioned in that light even if it were stuffed with a 12 TBN.
Nope, Mobil1 0w40 is like 3:1 GTL and PAO and it meets Porsche A40 which is a long drain interval spec.
Is this the euro blend 0w40? Isn’t there 2 different 0w40? Is it FS and euro? Or is the euro Fs?
That's the Euro FS, there's also the Low-SAPS ESP formula 0w40, those are the only two 0w40 Mobil1 products I'm aware of.
Ok so the euro is the FS and then there’s ESP thanks much.
Unless it's predatory pricing to drive out competition or enter a new market, no one sells products at a loss, especially the big oil companies. Xon has the resources to sell at low prices and make profits if they wish.
Excellent material !! (re: post 48) -and considering that article in Machinery Lubrication was over 17 years ago, I'd have to think that base oil development is even further advanced today. It would be great to see them update that article !!It's a light 0w-20 to a heavy 0w-16 (KV100 = ~7.8 cSt). It actually does perform superior to PAO with less valvetrain and cylinder wear attributed to better additive response with the group III base oil. We're talking about the highest budget racing programs in the US if not the world. These guys spending hundreds of thousands researching ways to gain a 0.5 hp advantage. If there was an advantage to using a majority PAO base oil, they'd be using it.
Here's an article in Machinery Lubrication detailing how group III base oils are rivaling PAO in many areas and superior in some areas.
"A modern Group III oil can actually outperform a PAO in several areas important to lubricants, such as additive solubility, lubricity and antiwear performance. Group III base oils can now rival PAO stocks in pour point, viscosity index and oxidation stability performance."
Performance of Base Oils and Future Trends - The Evolution of Base Oil Technology - Part 3
This is the third of a three-part series on base oil technologies and applications. Lubrication technology evolved slowly from ancient times until the 1950s. Solvent-refining technology then...
When I wander the pits at the NHRA fuel cars and look, it seems that the oil used by major teams is a secret. Plain jugs with a slap on sticker of their oil sponsor. Nothing ever directly poured in the oil tank from factory packaging except Red Line on a few teams. Racing is strange that way. Seeing the water and oil temperature of a NASCAR engine at Talladega with their closed off front ends in August for 500 miles in 98F temperatures leads me to believe that if there isn't any or very little Group III oil in the car. 500 miles in an engine producing from 2.4 to 200 horsepower per cubic inch is not relatable to highway miles on a passenger vehicle. Rebuild after every round in fuel cars. Refresh after every race for top Nascar team engines. Yeah, I imagine they are using PAO/POE and a dash of carrier group in their cars. Nobody can bring the evidence otherwise so it is hearsay. I do believe the pro stocks are using a pretty standard hydrocracked low viscosity oil in their cars though as evidenced by one of our board members that creates oil for some NHRA pro stock teams. Maybe he will chime in. I would like to hear if Group III has surpassed Group IV in objective testing and in which categories other than solvency.
