Which one is thicker?

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M1 is thicker because thickness is checked when oil is cold. Viscosity is almost the same because viscosity is measured when oil is at normal operating temp.
 
According to the replies in the "RL 5W20..." thread, HTHS viscosity is the primary aspect of oil that determines fuel economy. So, from an operational point of view, the Castrol is very, very slightly "thicker."
 
I think most would agree that "thickness" means the same thing as "viscosity". In other words, a more "viscous oil" is considered a "thicker oil". Now both type of values you list above (HTHS, cSt @100°C) are a measure of viscosity, but under different conditions. The major difference between the two is, HTHS is measured at 150°C, and, it's measured when the oil is flowing through very small dimensions so there is a lot of "shearing" taking place, thus the name "High Temperature High Shear".

Another way to look at it is that "cSt @100°C" is a measure of how oil flows through the plumping in your engine, and "HTHS" is a measure of how the oil flows in your engine bearings and highly loaded places like the valvetrain and piston/rings-cylinder interfaces.

Ideally you want a "cSt @100°C" that matches the flow requirements of your engine with a high HTHS for wear protection. In the case you mention above, the Castrol RS 0W40 is the winner in my book since it flows better, yet offers better protection under high stress conditions. One would also want to look at the cold flow viscosities to round out the picture, especially if you will be doing a substantial number of short trips in cold weather. And finally the additive package will influence the total package substantially.
 
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Originally posted by 427Z06:
Ideally you want a "cSt @100°C" that matches the flow requirements of your engine with a high HTHS for wear protection. In the case you mention above, the Castrol RS 0W40 is the winner in my book since it flows better, yet offers better protection under high stress conditions. One would also want to look at the cold flow viscosities to round out the picture, especially if you will be doing a substantial number of short trips in cold weather. And finally the additive package will influence the total package substantially.

I'll second all that...


Tim
 
HT/HS is not a measure of viscosity. Hence, your question appears to be asking which one is thicker at 100C...and this would be M-1 0-40 even though it appears that the Castrol R 0-40 scores a higher shear resistant/stable rating.
 
M1 0W40 is supposed to have an HTHS of 3.6 but in a recent independent test I saw here it showed an HTHS of 3.9.
 
New oil in a lab as measured by cSt (type) machine @ 100°C or 40°C, M1 is "thicker".

As commentary, the Castrol is pretty "thin" (I really don't like that word) for an SAE 40 and I'm also betting the HTHS is a bit higher for the M1 than 3.6. I'll bet in application, after use, they are pretty close to the same relative viscosity.
 
My take on this is that the HTHS #s are close enough and the Viscosity of M1 starts out higher enough that M1 is probably thicker the entire interval or at worst the minimum Viscosity in the interval is about the same. M1 would be thicker for the majority of time or at least until they start thinkening again. If you look at the M1 0w40 UOAs, the M1 ends 4k to 8k intervals at or above the Castrols starting viscosity. It thins a bit but never falls out of the 40wt range. If the Castrol 0w40, 12.9 cSt thins at all it will be a 30wt. Castrol 0w30 starts at 12.2 cst

[ February 28, 2005, 08:52 AM: Message edited by: goodvibes ]
 
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