How would anyone know what fluid would have "identical properties" to the OEM fluid? That's an impossible task for anyone on this board to determine.
Which brand NS3 ATF for new Nissan CVT?
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There is a difference between "performance" properties and the "exact" chemistry. Perhaps that was what you were attempting to delineate?
No one will have the exact same chemistry as the OEM Nissan fluid except for the original blender. Other NS3 blenders are able to match the same "performance" requirements as the OEM fluid but may actually use an improved chemistry over the OEM fluid, as is usually the case in the industry.
Maybe I should have asked if anyone knows which manufacturer supplies NS3 fluid to Nissan.
Even if you knew that it wouldn't matter, nearly all blenders sell compatible fluids for OEM formulations which have often been shown to be different than the OEM. As I mentioned before, Idemitsu is always claimed to be the blender for Honda ATF DW-1 yet none of their own branded fluids are anywhere close to being the same per VOA. It is quite likely the OEM's blender is prohibited from selling the same exact formulation due to licensing.
It's pretty irrelevant who makes it since there is zero indication that just being the blender for the OEM in any way guarantees that one of their labeled products is identical to an OEM fluid. You could have a VOA run on them both to get an idea if you're really invested in finding out.
Besides, even Eneos never says their fluid is the same as the Nissan one, all they say is that it's "recommended" where "genuine fluids are specified", and they say it has "outstanding compatibility".
Pretty sure Idemitsu makes it for Nissan, but if I recall right I once cross ref'd the specs and the Nissan Fluid and the Idemitsu type N3 fluid are slightly different.
How did you obtain the Nissan specification?
The viscosity was listed on the Nissan MSDS and the viscosity of the Idemitsu retail fluid is different.
Yeah one typical value from a safety data sheet isn’t exactly “specifications” but okay.
One typical value from a PDS isn't "specifications" then either
Not trying to give you a hard time here. Not my intent at all.
Here in US... = Idemitsu... Possibly. .
Japan = Possibly Eneos. Aka JK Nippon. Possibly.
And yeah I know that CVT fluid that's NS -3 is not green...
It is blue actually. Just like the Eneos CVT fluid I put in your car. It's blue as can be.
Not that color matters a whole lot. It doesn't.
NS -2 was green.
Just talking about OEM blender in general. I have an old doc that mentioned the blender in Japan. No mention of the newer NS-3 though.
Looks like JX nippon, Idemitsu and Shell seems to be the main supplier.
Looks like JX nippon, Idemitsu and Shell seems to be the main supplier.
Sorry, I wasn't trying to attack you or anything. I was just trying to make the point that there's no way to know for certain that it's identical to the OE fluid, like the OP was looking for, and the spec sheets actually point to it being different.
OEM honda CVT HCF-2 seems to use idemitsu in Singapore. But why 3.5L? seems to be a strange capacity to box it in.
The online seller mentioned that it is from JX nippon in Thailand but the bottom clearly shows idemitsu. Maybe the newer batch is from thailand?
Thailand is the main car assembly place outside of Japan (at least for all right hand drive cars). Most of the OEM parts are from there. But OEM NIssan NS-3 seems to be only from Japan which is in the tin that I posted.
The online seller mentioned that it is from JX nippon in Thailand but the bottom clearly shows idemitsu. Maybe the newer batch is from thailand?
Thailand is the main car assembly place outside of Japan (at least for all right hand drive cars). Most of the OEM parts are from there. But OEM NIssan NS-3 seems to be only from Japan which is in the tin that I posted.
Completely agree. “Specifications” and the typical values listed on a PDS are concepts that are often confused on here.
If it were me, I would buy Castrol or Valvoline and pretend it was Nissan Genuine NS-3.
I have used it in a high mileage Hertz Altima with excellent results.
Good luck.
I have used it in a high mileage Hertz Altima with excellent results.
Good luck.
Goog to know, however despite what they say are they going to be there the day Nissan said ... sorry not covered ... now who has the burden of proof that the oil was good or not ? .. I have the same dillemma here , my Mitsu is du for a drain and fill.... Mitsu wants 21.00 per liter .... CT wants 10.59 and certified CVTF J4 ... Am I going to take a chance ? Hummmm
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