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Originally posted by buster:
Better in what way? Small differences in wear metals are meaningless. What about engine deposits and cleanliness? M1 would do a better job. Something people fail to remember at times.
Hmm.. I've had my Ford Taurus engine apart twice in 108k and it was spotless (I looked at the heads and pistons @ 62k and 108k..like new) using .69 cent a quart oil for the 80+k that I owned it.
It was a rental so we all know how much care it got in it's first 21k miles...
I've had my Valve cover off my Truck to fix a valve cover leak and it was spotless at 37k.. Again using .69 cent a quart Pennzoil.
My Dads Honda Civic that Honda had to replace the long block sure looked new when they had the cover off to place on the new engine. It saw 5w-20 Pennzoil @ 6k Ocis and was driven short trips most of the time. (by my dad who thinks 3k is redline.. )
My 1986 VW Jetta which has 250k miles on it and has NEVER has anything done to it (belts, Tires and Brakes.. Thats it) You can look on the top of the motor and it's spotless. REALLY! I've taken scope we have at work and looked at the whole top of the engine.
Gets the same MPG, runs great like it did when we bought it and passes smog with ease.
Oil used?? Mostly Halvoline and Fram filters, but it's seen QS and Valvoline too. All with Fram filters.
Every 4-5k OCI btw..
My Uncles 1978 Ford 351 V-8 4x4 which just passed 200k with little done to it.. (mostly water pumps) and we had the Valve covers off of it to replace the gaskets and clean..
His oil, QS dino for the first 100k then Valovine..
Would you agree that todays oil is better than 1980s / 1990s oil?
How is spending $4-6 a quart going to improve the engine? Cleaner? If the above engines are running perfect (well except the Head Gasket problems on the Ford Taurus and maybe Syn oil would have prevented that?) the engines are clean and lasting what to do?
I've used Syn in most of my outfits at one time and there was no diff to me.. (except the cost)
Why did I run it? Trying to get more MPG which I did not..
And please don't tell me to run oil for 25k miles or xx number of years. If others like to do that, EXCELLENT!
(as they change filters out that cost more than the TOTAL cost of my Oil changes and have to top off with the same $4-6 qt oil..) Cost effective?
I'm great they can do that.. But for me and my simple mind
and the
WARRENTY that I have to stay true too, Not going to happen.
I'll have to go with what HAS worked for me and the outfits I've worked on.
We all need to face facts that there are millions of outfits in this world that never see the care that we give our cars/trucks and last hundreds of thousands of miles. And they have never seen or heard of syn oil. If they change their oil once a year with straight 30 wt they are lucky.
I'll agree that we will disagree!
Take care and thanks! Bill
PS: I don't buy oil at retail prices so I've never spent $2.xx for regular Dino oil. The max I'll pay is less than a $1 and most of my Stash is well below that. So, I'd have to run syn 5-10 times as long to be cost effective.. And my time is worth nothing when I am at home and I like to change oil...(I buy outfits that are easy to work on...) (Am I a sick one or what?)
