Where's the 0W-20 for my new Honda V-6?

[Indydriver]

My daughter just bought a new Accord V-6 so I've got a little time to figure this out. Based on the near universal owner, dealer, auto and oil manufacturer recommendations to follow the maker's extended OCI as dictated by the "Maintenance Minder", I've pretty much decided to go with an "ultra oil" such as PU or M1EP. Problem is, neither comes in 0W-20. I do NOT want to give up the 0W as she will be parking this car outside in Indiana winters. I know that M1 has its AFE (which is just standard M1) but, if I'm really going to allow this vehicle to go to 10,000 mile OCIs, I want the best. I did read in Pennzoil's Q&A (great resource BTW--thank you BITOG)that they plan to introduce an 0W-20 Ultra sometime this year. If they do, I will use it (listening SOPUS?). I've also dropped this question on "Ask Mobile1". I guess I could use Honda brand while I wait but it is "only" a semi. Suggestions?

 

[demarpaint]

Edge 0W20 is very good, the Honda Brand 0w20 is good, so is Mobil 1 AFE 0W20. The M1 product will be the easiest to find, and has some great UOA reports here. All of the above should be fine for the OLM in your car.

 

[Indydriver]

Thanks for the feedback. What is "Edge" motor oil?

 

[chevrofreak]

Mobil 1's Advanced Fuel Economy oils are better than their standard oils. They're just fine for any length of time her OLM will recommend. Honda also has a full synthetic 0w-20, not just the semi-synthetic.

 

[stubbakatt]

Originally Posted By: Indydriver
Thanks for the feedback. What is "Edge" motor oil?

Castrol Edge. But I would use the M1 AFE 0W-20. Its perfectly fine for 10,000 miles with the maintenance minder.

 

[ARCOgraphite]

from M1 AFE 0w-20 page:

Oil Change Interval: Oil change intervals can be as short as 3,000 miles or as long 15,000 miles on some new cars. We recommend that you follow the oil and filter change frequencies shown in your owner's manual. With Mobil 1´s high-performance reserves, you can have the confidence to go the full mileage or time frame recommended by the vehicle manufacturer. Mobil 1 is especially suitable for the latest vehicles with extended drain intervals or vehicles with oil monitoring systems that vary oil drain intervals.

 

[demarpaint]

I used M1 AFE 0W20 as well as Edge 0W20, and liked the Edge better. Nothing scientific, other than my observations, and a quieter engine on a cold start, which to some people means nothing. Other than that both oils are good oils. I haven't tried the Honda 0W20 but read good things here about it. As I already mentioned of the three the M1 is going to be the easiest oil to get.

 

[vinu_neuro]

Use M1 0W-20 (or whatever you want) and follow the OLM. You can do extended oci's after the warranty expires.

 

[ffxfina3]

I've got M1 0w-20 in my wife's Ford Focus station wagon. In my Honda Insight, I'm running Platinum 0w-20 and am generally happy with it. But I'll add this, if it weren't for my built up stash of PP 0w-20, I'd switch the Insight to Edge 0w-20.

-Bryan

 

[vinu_neuro]

Where'd you get PP 0W-20 Bryan?

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Look for ACEA A5/B5-08 perfomance standard, not just A1/B1. Mobil is prob reforming the 0w-20 to meet GF-5 and I hope they include the improved ACEA spec.

 

[ffxfina3]

Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
Where'd you get PP 0W-20 Bryan?


BITOG rules prevent me from providing you a direct link. However, I am allowed to suggest you google for "the oil-store".

-Bryan

 

[Indydriver]

I don't have any reason to think that standard M1 0W-20 wouldn't be an excellent choice for the Accord V6 but I do know that Mobil has stated that AFE is no different than standard M1, just rebranded to emphasize this grade's fuel economy benefits. They also are very proud of the fact that EP performs at a higher level and will acknowledge 50% more of the SuperSyn additive package. Exactly what that is and what it does, I've not been able to find. So, based on Mobil's own public statements: AFE = M1 in 0W grades; EP > AFE for long OCIs. Ergo, I'd like to see EP offered in 0W-20. I'm glad to see PP offered in this grade as well as Pennzoil's public pronouncement that PU will come out this year. Based on reading everything I can find, both Mobil and Pennzoil are claiming that Ultra and EP are significantly superior to prior iterations of their full syn products.

Despite all my research over the last several days, I don't truly understand the difference between Mobil's and Pennzoil's approach to designing oils. Anyone care to tackle that one?

 

[barlowc]

A couple of additional 0W-20 options are: 1) Valvoline SynPower 0W-20. I just saw this at my local Walmart yesterday. 2) AMSOIL ASM 0W-20. I'm considering giving that a try in our VUE which has a Honda 3.5-liter V6 in it.

 

[momomeister]

I suspect you'll be satisfied with the M1 0w-20. I've used Mobil1 0w-20 and have 2 good UOAs on our 2006 Honda Odyssey.

I plan on trying Castrol Edge real soon, just for the sake of trying it. Plus, it was on sale!

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: Indydriver
I don't have any reason to think that standard M1 0W-20 wouldn't be an excellent choice for the Accord V6 but I do know that Mobil has stated that AFE is no different than standard M1, just rebranded to emphasize this grade's fuel economy benefits. ...
I see this as a non-issue since mobil only markets 0w-20 as AFE - there exist no Mobil-1 0w-20 currently that doesnt sport the chartreuse cap. So there is no difference to be had since only ONE product is offered (discounting Genuine Toyota synthetic 0w-20 - which is an option if you like moly up the ying-yang

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: Indydriver
I know that M1 has its AFE (which is just standard M1) but, if I'm really going to allow this vehicle to go to 10,000 mile OCIs, I want the best.

Well i can tell you for one AFE 0w20 WILL do what your looking to do without worry,this oil is well capable for 10k oil changes i personally do 7-9k all the time in our GM v6's.

I've also used this oil AFE in my tow vehicle with loads(backhoe)in excessive of 10k lbs + in summer temps,so believe me the oil is up to the task.

oh and there's no "best" oil.

 

[Pablo]

I would just run Amsoil 0W-20 as I do/did in my wife's 2006 Honda Odyssey until it exploded.....

....JUST KIDDING.

 

[barlowc]

Originally Posted By: daman
Well i can tell you for one AFE 0w20 WILL do what your looking to do without worry,this oil is well capable for 10k oil changes i personally do 7-9k all the time in our GM v6's.

An XW-20 in a GM V6? Is that what the specs call for? I hadn't yet heard of a GM engine (i.e. other than the Honda-built L66 that's in our VUE) spec an XW-20.

 

[daman]

Originally Posted By: barlowc
Originally Posted By: daman
Well i can tell you for one AFE 0w20 WILL do what your looking to do without worry,this oil is well capable for 10k oil changes i personally do 7-9k all the time in our GM v6's.

An XW-20 in a GM V6? Is that what the specs call for? I hadn't yet heard of a GM engine (i.e. other than the Honda-built L66 that's in our VUE) spec an XW-20.

No read my sig i use the 0w30,,i'm talking the 0w20 will do what he's looking for.

P.S,,i am running the 0w20 in the kids sunfire 2200 I4 loves it so far no issues.