Patman
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I also noticed up here that all the 10w30 Maxlife is gone (at one Walmart anyways) and they knocked the price of the 5w30 jug down to $10.98 (this is about $7 US)
Where do you guys buy Chevron Supreme
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Patman
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If the technical data sheets had a LOT more detail on them, they might be more useful, but so many oil companies are just leaving out way too much vital info. When I talk to friends of mine and they ask about one oil compared to another, most of them don't understand what the HTHS is, or the Noack volatility. To them it's all about VI, flash and pour point. I'll admit, I was in their shoes once too. That's why I point so many people over to this site so that they can educate themselves on what truly makes a good oil. The technical data sheets are a good start, but not the be all end all of how good an oil will perform in your engine.
Thanks Patman, I've only had one negative customer response in 2 years of "consumer" kits.
He didn't like the fact that I got the results before he did from the outsourced lab,which happened to be OAI. SO much for quick turnaoround time.
OAI didn't help with the misinformed fellow so I fired OAI. I still owe 2 interpretations to the guy but have not heard from him.
He didn't like the fact that I got the results before he did from the outsourced lab,which happened to be OAI. SO much for quick turnaoround time.
OAI didn't help with the misinformed fellow so I fired OAI. I still owe 2 interpretations to the guy but have not heard from him.
Patman
Maxlife may still be the "bargain" oil. Just because it no longer contains moly doesn't mean it isn't just as good as it was. Maybe it's better. The point is, we don't know yet. You're making it sound as if you already know it's not as good as it used to be. This isn't the first time this discussion has come up. I don't understand why any company would knowingly produce an inferior product (compared to their previous product). Makes no sense.
Maxlife may still be the "bargain" oil. Just because it no longer contains moly doesn't mean it isn't just as good as it was. Maybe it's better. The point is, we don't know yet. You're making it sound as if you already know it's not as good as it used to be. This isn't the first time this discussion has come up. I don't understand why any company would knowingly produce an inferior product (compared to their previous product). Makes no sense.
Patman
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From what I understand, moly is expensive, so Valvoline probably figured if they could just leave it out, and still charge the same money, they'd make more money. It was never publically announced that it contained moly anyways, so 99.9% of the people that use Maxlife have no idea it changed.
I've been looking back at my oil analysis on Maxlife and it doesn't look that bad, but not that great either. 40% oxidation in 2300 miles is a bit scary.
I've been looking back at my oil analysis on Maxlife and it doesn't look that bad, but not that great either. 40% oxidation in 2300 miles is a bit scary.
MolaKule
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Patman,
Just yanking your chain; You have been such a good sport about it!
As I recall, there was someone on one of the threads who said that Maxlife had contained
XXX ppm of Moly, and we had no reason to doubt that until oil analysis showed otherwise. And maybe it had - maybe a recent formula change required its removal.
Believe me, even an oil chemist or tribologist has trouble keeping up on the latest developments.
Just yanking your chain; You have been such a good sport about it!
As I recall, there was someone on one of the threads who said that Maxlife had contained
XXX ppm of Moly, and we had no reason to doubt that until oil analysis showed otherwise. And maybe it had - maybe a recent formula change required its removal.
Believe me, even an oil chemist or tribologist has trouble keeping up on the latest developments.
MolaKule
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See what you did Patman?
You have affected the oil market for the whole world.
is it true that you and Martha Stewart are old pals?
You have affected the oil market for the whole world.
is it true that you and Martha Stewart are old pals?
Bottgers,
Ever since I saw the virgin oil analysis, I have not liked what I saw when it came to maxlife. At that time, it did have moly listed in the analysis, BUT, the detergent levels was not that impressive, thus leaving it wide open to oxidation levels increasing faster than some of the others.
After doing my little experiment, it also showed that the detergents was not that good in comparison to Penzoils High mileage motor oil or any of the synth/blends. Now with high mileage motors you may not want to actually clean the seals and such as it would create more leaks.
So in my opinion, the maxlife, and maybe even some of the other high mileage motors are designed to be run only 3000 miles.
Ever since I saw the virgin oil analysis, I have not liked what I saw when it came to maxlife. At that time, it did have moly listed in the analysis, BUT, the detergent levels was not that impressive, thus leaving it wide open to oxidation levels increasing faster than some of the others.
After doing my little experiment, it also showed that the detergents was not that good in comparison to Penzoils High mileage motor oil or any of the synth/blends. Now with high mileage motors you may not want to actually clean the seals and such as it would create more leaks.
So in my opinion, the maxlife, and maybe even some of the other high mileage motors are designed to be run only 3000 miles.
Patman
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DOH!
I feel bad for making so many people think Maxlife was a good bargain oil containing moly, how was I to know they pulled a Castrol Syntec on us!
This reinforces my belief on how important oil analysis is though. Had I just blindly gone on thinking this oil had moly in it, and never done analysis, how would I have known the truth?
No matter what oil you guys choose to run, the best advice is to do oil analysis to see what is really going on, and if the intervals you choose work for your particular situation.
I feel bad for making so many people think Maxlife was a good bargain oil containing moly, how was I to know they pulled a Castrol Syntec on us!
This reinforces my belief on how important oil analysis is though. Had I just blindly gone on thinking this oil had moly in it, and never done analysis, how would I have known the truth?
No matter what oil you guys choose to run, the best advice is to do oil analysis to see what is really going on, and if the intervals you choose work for your particular situation.
I've been trying to share that bit of wisdom with people for years Patman.Only ones that have really listened are the big buck Racing and trucking guys.
A good analyst can do more with an average trend oil analysis from any lab than most Chemists can do with reams of ASTM test data in evaluating a lubricants real life effect on reducing wear and performing appropriately.
A good analyst can do more with an average trend oil analysis from any lab than most Chemists can do with reams of ASTM test data in evaluating a lubricants real life effect on reducing wear and performing appropriately.
Patman
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I think I'm starting to get through to people Terry, as I get a lot of guys asking me now about who I get to do my analysis. Of course, I point them to you!
You should be seeing quite a few oil analysis requests from f-body and Vette owners in the near future!
You should be seeing quite a few oil analysis requests from f-body and Vette owners in the near future!
I myself have been singing that song for a long time as to how mis leading just reading TD Sheets could be. That is a starting point but the analysis is the real deal, allowing you to see a more broader picture than just base oil tests.
I suspect that's why so many people think I'm nuts
saying that a blend can do almost if not as well as some full synths' at half the price.
Been there done that.
I suspect that's why so many people think I'm nuts
Been there done that.
Uh Uh..no way, I ain't buying it, never again....
Don't care HOW CHEAP IT GETS!!!!
Even if they put it ON SALE I ain't buying it!!!
Think they heard me?
Don't care HOW CHEAP IT GETS!!!!
Even if they put it ON SALE I ain't buying it!!!
Think they heard me?
Update!!
For those of you who are interested my local Wally World just re-stocked Chevron Supreme 5w-30 (maybe new shipments). So, for those of you that are looking for it you might want to check you local Wal-Mart's sometime this week.
For those of you who are interested my local Wally World just re-stocked Chevron Supreme 5w-30 (maybe new shipments). So, for those of you that are looking for it you might want to check you local Wal-Mart's sometime this week.
Brad,Thats odd how they do things regionally like this. 120 miles South of me in TX the Chevron is everywhere! Just the Delo 400 here.
Up North they can find 10/30 and 10/40 Valvoline VR1. Here only 20/50- and straight 40,50,60 wt.
No Kendall GT1 at all.I mean nowhere
Thats OK,I like what is in my cars
Now Shell is here in Oklahoma.Guess what? They did not bring their cool 94 octane gas with them
[ July 17, 2002, 08:12 PM: Message edited by: dragboat ]
Up North they can find 10/30 and 10/40 Valvoline VR1. Here only 20/50- and straight 40,50,60 wt.
No Kendall GT1 at all.I mean nowhere
Thats OK,I like what is in my cars
Now Shell is here in Oklahoma.Guess what? They did not bring their cool 94 octane gas with them
[ July 17, 2002, 08:12 PM: Message edited by: dragboat ]
Bob wrote:
"Now with high mileage motors you may not want to actually clean the seals and such as it would create more leaks."
I think that is "one" of Auto RX's sales points to clean a seal so as to move freely again and sealing properly once more.And I thought the same thing has been spoke of with using the 131 Shaeffers product?
Any thoughts?
[ July 17, 2002, 08:25 PM: Message edited by: dragboat ]
"Now with high mileage motors you may not want to actually clean the seals and such as it would create more leaks."
I think that is "one" of Auto RX's sales points to clean a seal so as to move freely again and sealing properly once more.And I thought the same thing has been spoke of with using the 131 Shaeffers product?
Any thoughts?
[ July 17, 2002, 08:25 PM: Message edited by: dragboat ]
when you clean a seal,remember that the seal has
endured extreme levels of temps and has coked up
therefore the elasticity of the seal will tend to
be harden. Oils themselves do not soften the
seals therefore would have created a leaking
situation if they cleaned the seal without
conditioning.
This in my opinion is why so many people tend to
find leaks with synth's because it cleans the
seals, but without conditioning it now has a
clean harden seal where it can pass by, as before
the grime and such that was covering the seal was
acting like a seal in itself.
So, yes, the 131 does clean, but in addition, it also conditions the seals.
[ July 17, 2002, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]
endured extreme levels of temps and has coked up
therefore the elasticity of the seal will tend to
be harden. Oils themselves do not soften the
seals therefore would have created a leaking
situation if they cleaned the seal without
conditioning.
This in my opinion is why so many people tend to
find leaks with synth's because it cleans the
seals, but without conditioning it now has a
clean harden seal where it can pass by, as before
the grime and such that was covering the seal was
acting like a seal in itself.
So, yes, the 131 does clean, but in addition, it also conditions the seals.
[ July 17, 2002, 09:48 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]
dragboat,
I hear ya on the regional differences between markets. I have never, and I mean never, seen Kendall products anywhere around Cincinnati. We don't have Kragen, Checker Auto or anything like that around Cincy. If PepBoys, AutoZone or Wal-Mart does not have it your SOL.
My local Wal-Marts stock the 5 quart jug of Valvoline 10w-30, but no 5w-30. Go figure. Also can't find Delvac 1 here either. They only stocked the "new" Mobil 1 with SuperSyn in the 5 quart jug for a short period of time, now that has disappeared as well. I bought a jug of 5w-30 when they had it, guess I just got lucky.
I hear ya on the regional differences between markets. I have never, and I mean never, seen Kendall products anywhere around Cincinnati. We don't have Kragen, Checker Auto or anything like that around Cincy. If PepBoys, AutoZone or Wal-Mart does not have it your SOL.
My local Wal-Marts stock the 5 quart jug of Valvoline 10w-30, but no 5w-30. Go figure. Also can't find Delvac 1 here either. They only stocked the "new" Mobil 1 with SuperSyn in the 5 quart jug for a short period of time, now that has disappeared as well. I bought a jug of 5w-30 when they had it, guess I just got lucky.
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