Where do you go to get your Trans Fluid changed?

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^^^Complete nonsense.

Number one, show me a "powerflush" machine! They are simply not. No power involved. Just two containers in a fancy cabinet.

Number two, stealers are the LAST place to go to find quality fluids. They use whatever bulk is cheaper.

Number 3, the best trans shops are independents. Sure some of them stink, but in every town there is one BUSY shop that does a ton of work and does it well. Easy to find, too.

Number 4, Maxlife is far from a cheap generic fluid. It is well known for working well in a TON of slushboxes!
 
Originally Posted By: Zako2
Originally Posted By: buster
I'm trying to avoid the dealer and want to take my wife's Mazda 3 somewhere I can trust to do a good complete flush/fill of the trans fluid.

It will be getting this:

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/maxlife_atf.pdf


Either do it at the dealer or change the ATF fluid yourself. DO NOT trust the generic autoshops. A lot of them change ATF in a way that can damage the transmission, by using a powerflush machine for example. Another issue is that run out of the mill shop will not always use a manufacturer recommended ATF. Instead they can give you some kind of generic ATF with an friction modifying additive like Lubegard. The dealer will only do it the right way for your particular transmission, but they will also use the EXACT fluid the manufacturer recommends.

I would also highly recommend to avoid specialized transmission shops. Most of them do ATF changes only as a way to fish for customers for expensive transmission rebuilds. I have encountered shoddy and dishonest people in there.

Finally, avoid the "generic" atf like Maxlife. It almost certainly does not exactly meet the requirements for your particular transmission fluid. For example, their literature is inconsistent. The claims on the back of bottle are different from the claims on the web site (e.g. with regards to Mercon V) It's a compromise to make it works on many different transmission. Don't risk damaging your transmission just to save a few bucks. Most dealers have exactly what you need. Either get ATF from dealer OR find a 3rd party one that's supposed to be approved by the manufacturer. Try to avoid a generic ATF that's "recommended for.." as opposed to "approved for" your application. Just my 2c.

For some reason, some people on this web site obsess about the slight differences in motor oil grades (say 20 grade vs 30 grade, or say 10W30 vs 5W30), yet so many are willing to put some kind of run out of the mill universal ATF into a transmission.


Advice to avoid a "power flush" machine is not helpful on this forum as there is no such thing as a power flush machine. The flush machines only accept the old fluid and provide new fluid to the pan at the same rate its going out.

Even if you sat down to create a power flush machine I am not sure it could work. One cooler line goes to the pan and any fluid pushed in there stays in the pan. Trying to push ATF backwards through the transmission would not work either as you have a complex flow path and a pump pumping against you. If the engine is off its hard to push anything past a stopped pump.
 
^^^You forgot check valves. There can be MANY of these devices in the valve body and they are expressly designed so that fluid only goes one way.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8
In my driveway. Used to own a B&G fluid exchange machine but sold it and now do the same thing with a length of tubing and a bucket!

We were devoted Amsoil clients until the birth of the Dex VI spec. Now all our GM products get only Dex VI.


Would you please post your DEX VI used oil analysis? Thanks.
 
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Number two, stealers are the LAST place to go to find quality fluids. They use whatever bulk is cheaper.


I am not quite sure where your number two comment is coming from. Toyota, Ford, and Mazda brand fluids are some of the best in their class for example. Show me a _generic_ shop that has a Toyota brand or Ford brand ATF. They simply don't. And as I have found recently, if you want the manufacturer approved ATF in your car, and _only_ way to get it is from a dealership (ford five hundred ATF for example). I'd be surprised if there are many dealers out there who carry some of the best in class fluids in their stores, and yet their service department will not put them into your car. At very least, something like ATF the delership will not screw up and use the right stuff. They know their cars and transmissions. Most of generic shops almost certainly will not put the correct fluid into your car. They simply can't afford to carry a dozen different ATF formulations considering people actually rarely come to them for ATF exchange. They give you generic or a generic atf plus an additive. This may be ok for and old car. But if I had a fresh new Mazda 3, I'd either change the ATF at the dealer or did it myself using dealer supplied ATF.
 
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Originally Posted By: Zako2
Originally Posted By: SteveSRT8

Number two, stealers are the LAST place to go to find quality fluids. They use whatever bulk is cheaper.


I am not quite sure where your number two comment is coming from. Toyota, Ford, and Mazda brand fluids are some of the best in their class for example. Show me a _generic_ shop that has a Toyota brand or Ford brand ATF. They simply don't. And as I have found recently, if you want the manufacturer approved ATF in your car, and _only_ way to get it is from a dealership (ford five hundred ATF for example). I'd be surprised if there are many dealers out there who carry some of the best in class fluids in their stores, and yet their service department will not put them into your car. At very least, something like ATF the delership will not screw up and use the right stuff. They know their cars and transmissions. Most of generic shops almost certainly will not put the correct fluid into your car. They simply can't afford to carry a dozen different ATF formulations considering people actually rarely come to them for ATF exchange. They give you generic or a generic atf plus an additive. This may be ok for and old car. But if I had a fresh new Mazda 3, I'd either change the ATF at the dealer or did it myself using dealer supplied ATF.



The Toyota dealerships in my area carry Genuine Toyota Lubricants or will special order them for you. But that's not what they will put in your vehicle while servicing it. Valvoline products seem to be the most popular with dealerships, but there was a distributor filling a bulk tank with Mobil 1 the last time I was in there.
 
Exactly my point. Many stealerships I deal with have bulk product out back in a drum.

They don't generally buy the expensive stuff. I'm sure there are exceptions, but I stand by my statement.

They'd have to show me the empty bottles to sell me.
 
The ford dealer by me was using dex3 with a friction modifier for all of their transmission service specials (with coupon)

genuine fluid was way more if available.

That was a few years ago obviously.
 
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I go to the local Kennedy Trans shop and they exchange all the fluid for Amsoil. I think it was about $110.00 with the filter changed also.
 
Originally Posted By: buster
I'm trying to avoid the dealer and want to take my wife's Mazda 3 somewhere I can trust to do a good complete flush/fill of the trans fluid.

It will be getting this:

http://www.valvoline.com/pdf/maxlife_atf.pdf


Be careful, buster. Some Mazdas -- ours included -- specify Mazda M-V (Type M5) fluid, which is different from Mercon V. Valvoline MaxLife is an acceptable substitute for Mercon V but since 2008 (when Valvoline changed the formulation) MaxLife is not recommended for M-V Type M5 applications. (Some mechanics, including some Mazda dealers, assume that "M-V" specified in the manual is an abbreviation of "Mercon V," but they are wrong.)

See https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2776970#Post2777217
 
I stick to my original comment, driveway & Amsoil (assuming its speced by Amsoil). Spend you money on better ATF than dealership labor (and a cut to pay for the flush machine).

But its raining hard in NY today, so garage & Amsoil.
 
Like a lot of you here I don't have much trust in shops to do what they claim to do or what they should be doing.

I'm lucky that I have a friend who runs a shop. He lets me in his shop early Sat am and I put my vehicles on the lift. I did the Armada and the F-150 front and rear diffs, trans case, dropped the trans pan and added a PML oversize trans pan.

Now a few times a year I use the drain plug on the PML's pans and add new fluid. Pretty easy.
 
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At very least, something like ATF the delership will not screw up and use the right stuff.


http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...548#Post2792548

Local well regarded drivetrain place

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubb...rue#Post2422402

Everyone makes mistakes; With my car, I can only forgive myself; I would rather be the wrench guy for this task. Dealer is going offer "the fluid the mfg specifies" regardless of its track record despite more suitable (better) alternatives (like Maxlife)
 
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