When did Redline get weak in the Knee's??????

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Their new formula 5W40 looks like Rotella or Amsoil would make? I will never buy 5W40 from them again if they do not but the molly back in and the born!!!

Did they cut the legs out from under all of their oils or do some of tem still have the super high additive cntent? I can tell you this much I will never buy their crank caseoil again if they have done this across the board!

I will say this though their 5W50 has a flash point of 514 F that is as high as I have ever seen on a street oil!

I almost feel betrayed by this....That was my favorite oil I set some really great UOA results useing it!
 
Redline has said specifically they DON'T use moly in the 5W-40 formulation ONLY. Don't remeber the exact reason, but all the other grades still have tons of moly......
 
I fired an email off to them! I was very very disapointed!!! THey playing games because some really old diesel specifications called for oil to not have molly in them. THe problemthough is that they where talking about oil that had solid form of molly not the type in use today.....I think it was Detroit or Cat that claime their lifters would not rotate properly if molly was in the oil. Of course you have a bunch of ignorant people inthe diesel world that never bothered to read the white papers or the testing and never kept up to date with oil formulas!!! SO in their mind all moly is bad and any oil that has molly in it can not be used in my diesel etc......... I have run into it probably 10,000 times because my Dad is a truck driver since he retired fromt he Army and I hear all the [censored] in shops and from other driver's etc.......THey are like a dog with a bone once they get hold of a kernal of truth they hold on to it no matter how mis-represented that "truth" might be. In fact I recall Valvoline PRemium Blue even adding a touch of molly a few year back.......Most of the knuckle draggers that used it had no clue and no problems even with the adition of molly....WHat they did not know did not hurt them.

So it sounds to me that they are after the 1 Ton truck owners that are usualy grossly mis-informed unless they come to a sight like this one!I hate it when a company goes against what they know is good just because it increase's sales.....THat drives me nuts.Might as well just buy RTS since they have the same additive package now.......My Camry does not need insanely high flash point or any of the other benifits of POE if the additives are not going to be in the mix!
 
John, why do you care? Why are you obsessed with having an oil with moly?
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I think the various oil companies know more about oil than any of us who post on here. I think we should leave the formulas to the scientists and not these so-called internet experts.
 
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
Their new formula 5W40 looks like Rotella or Amsoil would make?


We could take this a couple ways.

But I will answer your question a bit of a different way. It might be a bit of a stretch for you, but hang in there. When the doc says 60mg TID, do you instantly say you'll take 240mg, because you know the more the better? When the engineer needs a 4x12 to get the job done on a span, you say you better find some 8x24, because you know it will be better? When the cook is making the broth, and it calls for 1 teaspoon of salt, you know it will taste so much better with 10 teaspoons?
 
Originally Posted By: Jason2007
I think the various oil companies know more about oil than any of us who post on here. I think we should leave the formulas to the scientists and not these so-called internet experts.


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Well said!

Bottom line,Dont like Redline,there's many more oils to choose from.
 
Originally Posted By: Jason2007
I think the various oil companies know more about oil than any of us who post on here. I think we should leave the formulas to the scientists and not these so-called internet experts.

Well now, just where would the fun be in that?
 
Oh, there is nothing wrong with guessing, speculating, etc. But, some people on here think they are the end all/know all when it comes to oil.
 
If they really cut moly across the board it could be that sometimes blending to a price point becomes an issue. Maybe they want to stay competitive with other boutique oils. Moly isn't cheap, I'd hate to think Red Line is cutting corners to stay competitive in the boutique oil market, but we can speculate all we want and never know. JMO
 
The only oils they cut moly from are their CJ-4 oils. Even their brand new 0W oils are loaded with moly.

And how do we know the moly reduction in the diesel oils is a bad thing, how do we know they didn't compensate for it in another way?
 
Originally Posted By: Jason2007
I think the various oil companies know more about oil than any of us who post on here. I think we should leave the formulas to the scientists and not these so-called internet experts.


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Originally Posted By: Jason2007
I think the various oil companies know more about oil than any of us who post on here. I think we should leave the formulas to the scientists and not these so-called internet experts.


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JB, they obviously are aiming to meet API/CJ-4. Lower Sulfated Ash. Moly is metallic and generates metallic ash when burned.

There is more then one way to formulate an oil.
 
The OEM knows best is junk talk! If they knew so much then why the radical formula change from one proven to produce low wear rates and resist oxidation to a weker clone of all the other diesel specific oils on the market? THeir formula already had what is in it now they just removed a bunch of stuff! That is not science it is called marketing! If the new formula was so supior then all of their oils woulduse it not just two cattering to the 1 ton market!

My Doctor doses based on my weight so he would be hard pressed to get it wrong. Only an incompetent Doctor would dose a 300lbs man with a childs dose!Yes some things aresometimes dosed by the patient. I take pain pills that have a very flexable dosing and yes due to my weight the does does sometimes exceed published max's. THey do not work the dose up to all possablities which is why we have Doctor's and lab test's by looking at routine blood tests and liver enzyme test's "A lot like a UOA" a Doctor can take most medications up to any needed level based on side effects and blood test's. This is also why Doctors are allowed to use drugs for off label usage in other words a drug marketed for blood pressure might be used to help regrow your hair even though the company that mad the drug didnottest it,market it or approve it for that use.....The Doctor is the one that knows the patient and thepatient's unique reponce to RX trumps the recomendations of the company that made the drug ( oil formulator)etc........

TOo many of you place your faith in the hands of people that have $$$$ as their motivator. Dave does not care if 5W40 is weaker then it once was as long as it sells like hot cakes and is at the very least up to the job. We all know I can make a dino or synthetic oil with 1200-1500 PPM ZDDP,2000-3000PPM of Calcium maybe a touch of sodium,magnieium and it will turn in good UOA results. That does not mean it would not be better if it had all of that plus 600-800ppms of Molly and 200+ppms of boron etc......

I do not know how any one can think that you get a better oil if you keep everything the same but remove 60% of the additives that is counter intutitive at the very least! I am not asking them to up their formula rather go back to the old formula which they have kept for all of their oils except 5W40 and 15W40 which they are clearly now marketing to 1 ton owners before they did not target them and they had same additive package as their 5W30 for instance!

On top of that I have 10,000 mile OCI with Redline 5W40 with the old formula that is almost all single digits or zero's so I know what I am talking about worked quite well. I used 5W40 about 2-3 years before they even had it on their web site or in their catalogs you had to ask for it. I think I was the first one on bitog to run it or do a UOA on it.So it is not like I am pulling my opinion out of my rear end! We have 7 years of loking at an almost unchanging Redline addativ package we know how it works and that it works realy well!
 
Originally Posted By: JohnBrowning
THeir formula already had what is in it now they just removed a bunch of stuff!


How do you know that?
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