What's so good about Trop Artic?

[The Critic]

Why is everyone so crazy about Trop Artic?

I think I haven't been over in the Car/Truck Lube area enough, but what advantage does this oil have over other conventionals, such as Havoline and Pennzoil.

Lastly, where can I find these products? I've had zero luck in finding the 5w-20 version of this oil; I've only been able to find the 5w30 and 10w30 version at Walmart.

Michael

 

[dave1251]

I think it is the price and the used oil analysis done with the oil and its over 50% grp III. But I use an oil that people say that is overpriced but if u by it on sale and use all the coupons that the company gives u it ends up being something like $0.66 a quart.

 

[The Critic]

used oil analysis done with this oil?

The only one that I could fine with Trop Artic 5w30 GF-4 was on a new, Pontiac Vibe that ran this oil for 2700 miles over the winter.

The sample had 2.5% Fuel and the oil sheared to 8.3 cst!

Any other used oil analysis?

Michael

 

[dave1251]

Michael also look at Ford Motorcraft OIL it is the same stuff. My personal opinion is that this oil is nothing great but it is cheap and easy to find my local walmart s.c. has it. Plus people r happy to use it.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Dave,
Are you sure this oil is 50% Group III base oil?

 

[bighead]

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Originally posted by Mr Magoo:
Dave,
Are you sure this oil is 50% Group III base oil?

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This is from another post concerning another PhillipsConoco product...

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Originally posted by Big Jim:
I can't find anything on that site that says that it is 50% synthetic and I don't believe that is correct.

It is exceptional oil, as are the rest of the Conoco Phillips family, but the "semi-synthetic" claims are a bit dubious.
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No, your post is a bit dubious - based on nothing more than your own Kentucky windage personal opinions and presented here as established fact. (Gosh, isn't it equally odd that no one questions Motorcraft's synthetic blend labeling?) As far as ConocoPhillips' own corporate brands are concerned, those "synthetic blend" claims are not at all suspect. Consider for a moment that unless deep-pockets ConocoPhillips is stupid enough to court monetary disaster from the Federal Trade Commission over false advertising (with ramifications for felony convictions for those responsible, so, highly unlikely - the company does have a retinue of presumably competent lawyers to advise them of the pitfalls of such a venture), you can believe the labels that clearly state "SYNTHETIC BLEND" in bold lettering. ConocoPhillips hasn't announced in their product data sheets that the Group III content is in excess of 50%, but their CSRs will confirm it is at least that percentage verbally if you bother to call their toll-free number (1-800-255-9556). For formula propriatary reasons they will not divulge the exact percentage. (Even if ConocoPhillips synthetic blends are "only" 50%, that still makes 'em about 35%-40% more Group III content than competing Group III synthetic blends.)

 

[Big Jim]

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Originally posted by bighead:

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Originally posted by Mr Magoo:
Dave,
Are you sure this oil is 50% Group III base oil?

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This is from another post concerning another PhillipsConoco product...

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Originally posted by Big Jim:
I can't find anything on that site that says that it is 50% synthetic and I don't believe that is correct.

It is exceptional oil, as are the rest of the Conoco Phillips family, but the "semi-synthetic" claims are a bit dubious.
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No, your post is a bit dubious - based on nothing more than your own Kentucky windage personal opinions and presented here as established fact. (Gosh, isn't it equally odd that no one questions Motorcraft's synthetic blend labeling?) As far as ConocoPhillips' own corporate brands are concerned, those "synthetic blend" claims are not at all suspect. Consider for a moment that unless deep-pockets ConocoPhillips is stupid enough to court monetary disaster from the Federal Trade Commission over false advertising (with ramifications for felony convictions for those responsible, so, highly unlikely - the company does have a retinue of presumably competent lawyers to advise them of the pitfalls of such a venture), you can believe the labels that clearly state "SYNTHETIC BLEND" in bold lettering. ConocoPhillips hasn't announced in their product data sheets that the Group III content is in excess of 50%, but their CSRs will confirm it is at least that percentage verbally if you bother to call their toll-free number (1-800-255-9556). For formula propriatary reasons they will not divulge the exact percentage. (Even if ConocoPhillips synthetic blends are "only" 50%, that still makes 'em about 35%-40% more Group III content than competing Group III synthetic blends.)

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As far as I can tell, the only similarity to "semi-synthetic" is that Conoco/Phillips licensed Chevrons water purified process. Chevron calls it "iso-syn". Pennzoil licensed it too, at least for a while, I don't know if they are still using it, and Pennzoil called it "pure base". At one time Conoco called it "clear base".

So if Castrol can call group III "synthetic", and Chevron can call their process "isosyn", why can't Conoco call theirs "semi-synthetic"? Who is going to stop them? No one succeded in stopping Castrol and no one seems to have tried stopping Chevron.

I flew into Knoxville once on my way to southern Indiana. Was that enough exposure to Kentucky to gain "windage"? I was born and raised in California.

 

[AstroVic]

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I flew into Knoxville once on my way to southern Indiana. Was that enough exposure to Kentucky to gain "windage"? I was born and raised in California. [/QB]

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So you smoke crack, so what?

 

[Ray H]

Yeah, so was I - BFD. ConocoPhillips brokers Korean S-Oil's Group III base stocks (one of the largest producers of high viscosity index Group III base stocks in the world) in the U.S. In other words, ConocoPhillips has an inside straight to contractually advantageously priced Group III supply for the foreseeable future. Where ConocoPhillips, like Castrol and a dozen other refiners or blenders, use 100% Group III base stocks in a finished motor oil, you can bet your last dollar they call the finished motor oil a full synthetic. Deal with it - it's old news and decided back in 1988 or so. ConocoPhillips doesn't label their entry-level motor oils as a full synthetic because they're not using 100% Group three in their entry-level finished motor oils. (though, like other oil refiners, ConocoPhillips does have 100% Group III base blends that are labled "Full Synthetic) But they are properly labeling these entry-level motor oils as a synthetic blend with neither apology nor an obligation for one, and by corporate and distributor accounts, using at least 50% Group III at that. Still suspicious? Rejoice and be exceeding glad, ye of little faith, for there're at least a dozen other brands selling for (sometimes significantly) higher cost that use absolutely no Group III base oil stock whatsover in their entry-level motor oils.

 

[Blue99]

Here's the link to the ConocoPhillips Base Oil Webpage .

My response to any questions regarding Grp III in the TropArtic/Kendall/Super76 formulations is this:

"If it's not Grp III, what is CP adding to their 95 VI index Grp II base stocks to meet the volatility requirements of the GF-4 test sequences?"

 

[Drew99GT]

And what are they adding to get a 157 VI in a 10w30 motor oil? It looks almost like the difference between the 5w30 and 10w30 is just a hair more VII to the 5w30 to get it to slide into 5w territory.

 

[Big Jim]

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Originally posted by AstroVic:

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I flew into Knoxville once on my way to southern Indiana. Was that enough exposure to Kentucky to gain "windage"? I was born and raised in California.

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So you smoke crack, so what? [/QB]

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LOL

Is there truth to the rumor that Texas is about to be renamed? Baja Oklahoma?

 

[reyjay1]

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Originally posted by Big Jim:

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Originally posted by AstroVic:

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I flew into Knoxville once on my way to southern Indiana. Was that enough exposure to Kentucky to gain "windage"? I was born and raised in California.

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So you smoke crack, so what?

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LOL

Is there truth to the rumor that Texas is about to be renamed? Baja Oklahoma? [/QB]

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Hardly

 

[leel]

 

[bruce381]

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Originally posted by Drew99GT:
And what are they adding to get a 157 VI in a 10w30 motor oil? It looks almost like the difference between the 5w30 and 10w30 is just a hair more VII to the 5w30 to get it to slide into 5w territory.

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correctomundo going from a 10/30 to a 5w30 you drop the base oil vis a centistoke or so and add in more VII.

To get a pass at 5wt/xx base oils are mostly 4-5 CST a 10wt/xx base oils can be higher 5-6.
bruce

 

[jimcor]

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Originally posted by Michael Wan:
Why is everyone so crazy about Trop Artic?
Michael

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Well, I like the Phillips 66 shield on the label.

I'm old enough that I got a chance to ride a good portion of Route 66 on a motorcycle when I was in my very early 20's.

I was one of the few kids in high school that enjoyed and was touched by "The Grapes of Wrath".
Can you remember when the Joads repaired their engine and had to catch the old oil and put it back in after they repaired the motor at the junkyard because they didn't have money for new oil?

As often as I change oil in my bikes and cage, it's the best for the buck.

And you know. That's as good a reason as any.

[ August 20, 2005, 10:21 PM: Message edited by: jimcor ]

 

[Blue99]

JMHO -

Bruce has explained, in just a few words, the primary difference between a 5w30 conventional & 10w30 formulation.

Many Bitoger's would benefit by bookmarking his post, for future reference, as we have this constant debate/discussion on where to buy, best price, best brand, what engines like it, what the owner's manual spec is, et cetera.

Bruce has provided, in Paul Harvey's words, "The rest of the Story" that should enable some members to get beyond the label on the outside of the bottle.