What's Inside An Oil Filter-FRAM Video
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When it shows the operation of the ADBV around time 2:45, it's not really the way it works. The whole ADBV doesn't move in & out, but rather the outer circumference just simply flexes and moves off the base plate to let oil come through the holes in the base plate. The center of the ADBV is fixed and doesn't move.
I liked the part about there being alot of flack in the industry about the use of fiber end caps.
Also fell asleep while watching it and dropped my pad and split my lip open I
Also fell asleep while watching it and dropped my pad and split my lip open I
Good informative video about the inner workings of an oil filter. Agree with ZeeOSix regarding the ADBV -- looks like the editing department missed that one!
Isn't this video uploaded by the same Jay Buckley who used to post here every now and then? I guess he's got a full-time job telling the world how great his filters are. It's amazing how great the fiber ends are and how bad metal caps are...until they start talking about their Ultra line.
Originally Posted By: Kruse
Isn't this video uploaded by the same Jay Buckley who used to post here every now and then? I guess he's got a full-time job telling the world how great his filters are. It's amazing how great the fiber ends are and how bad metal caps are...until they start talking about their Ultra line.
Good point Kruse. If the fiber end caps are so good why not use them on the FU?
Isn't this video uploaded by the same Jay Buckley who used to post here every now and then? I guess he's got a full-time job telling the world how great his filters are. It's amazing how great the fiber ends are and how bad metal caps are...until they start talking about their Ultra line.
Good point Kruse. If the fiber end caps are so good why not use them on the FU?
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
Originally Posted By: Kruse
Isn't this video uploaded by the same Jay Buckley who used to post here every now and then? I guess he's got a full-time job telling the world how great his filters are. It's amazing how great the fiber ends are and how bad metal caps are...until they start talking about their Ultra line.
Good point Kruse. If the fiber end caps are so good why not use them on the FU?
Jay said in the video why, and many members here have explained why the Ultra NEEDS metal end caps from a design perspective. You just couldn't make the Ultra with fiber end caps and make it work.
Originally Posted By: Kruse
Isn't this video uploaded by the same Jay Buckley who used to post here every now and then? I guess he's got a full-time job telling the world how great his filters are. It's amazing how great the fiber ends are and how bad metal caps are...until they start talking about their Ultra line.
Good point Kruse. If the fiber end caps are so good why not use them on the FU?
Jay said in the video why, and many members here have explained why the Ultra NEEDS metal end caps from a design perspective. You just couldn't make the Ultra with fiber end caps and make it work.
Originally Posted By: Kruse
Isn't this video uploaded by the same Jay Buckley who used to post here every now and then? I guess he's got a full-time job telling the world how great his filters are. It's amazing how great the fiber ends are and how bad metal caps are...until they start talking about their Ultra line.
Jay has never said that metal end caps are bad ... he just says they aren't really needed and that the fiber end caps do the job. As mentioned to BOF above, the metal end caps are needed on the Ultra, otherwise I'm sure FRAM would have used fiber end caps instead.
Isn't this video uploaded by the same Jay Buckley who used to post here every now and then? I guess he's got a full-time job telling the world how great his filters are. It's amazing how great the fiber ends are and how bad metal caps are...until they start talking about their Ultra line.
Jay has never said that metal end caps are bad ... he just says they aren't really needed and that the fiber end caps do the job. As mentioned to BOF above, the metal end caps are needed on the Ultra, otherwise I'm sure FRAM would have used fiber end caps instead.
As I have said before, if you want a MUCH better filter than the OCOD, with metal end caps and cheaper in price, buy a Purolator Classic.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
As I have said before, if you want a MUCH better filter than the OCOD, with metal end caps and cheaper in price, buy a Purolator Classic.
The OCOD and the Ultra are in totally different worlds. So you can't compare a Purolator Classic to the Ultra. We were talking about metal end caps, right?
As I have said before, if you want a MUCH better filter than the OCOD, with metal end caps and cheaper in price, buy a Purolator Classic.
The OCOD and the Ultra are in totally different worlds. So you can't compare a Purolator Classic to the Ultra. We were talking about metal end caps, right?
From the filters I've personally cut apart the pleats were so well bonded the the fibre end caps that to remove it in 1 piece I had to cut the filter media,otherwise the the end cap came off in chunks.
So if the point of the end cap is to insure the media retains its form as a frame basically,and even with my long filter runs of at least 10k there isn't even a hint of end cap separation what's the problem.
I haven't bought an orange can in years but I have bought many of the motomaster filters which are re-branded frams,and I've never had any form of element or end cap adhesive failure why are the end caps such a monster deal.
I understand if there were failures in some form but they just aren't failing,so all this hype about construction is just noise.
Its like building a house strong enough to stand up to a hurricane and earthquake proof in Saskatoon where we get nothing more than thunderstorms,and snow. Overbuilt.
If they were failing then sure lets talk it up but they aren't.
So if the point of the end cap is to insure the media retains its form as a frame basically,and even with my long filter runs of at least 10k there isn't even a hint of end cap separation what's the problem.
I haven't bought an orange can in years but I have bought many of the motomaster filters which are re-branded frams,and I've never had any form of element or end cap adhesive failure why are the end caps such a monster deal.
I understand if there were failures in some form but they just aren't failing,so all this hype about construction is just noise.
Its like building a house strong enough to stand up to a hurricane and earthquake proof in Saskatoon where we get nothing more than thunderstorms,and snow. Overbuilt.
If they were failing then sure lets talk it up but they aren't.
I think i am starting to like the Tough Guards more and more.
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Originally Posted By: 901Memphis
I think i am starting to like the Tough Guards more and more.
Yes; I agree. Excellent efficiency, good construction, silicone ADBV, etc. Very good pricing at places like Wallyworld; cheaper than the P1's, at least in my area. As my garage stock depleted from the W/NG filters, they are going to be replaced with TGs.
I think i am starting to like the Tough Guards more and more.
Yes; I agree. Excellent efficiency, good construction, silicone ADBV, etc. Very good pricing at places like Wallyworld; cheaper than the P1's, at least in my area. As my garage stock depleted from the W/NG filters, they are going to be replaced with TGs.
Originally Posted By: ZeeOSix
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
As I have said before, if you want a MUCH better filter than the OCOD, with metal end caps and cheaper in price, buy a Purolator Classic.
The OCOD and the Ultra are in totally different worlds. So you can't compare a Purolator Classic to the Ultra. We were talking about metal end caps, right?
According to oil filter folklore, isn't the OCOD the Extra Gaurd line of filters? And, the FU is gold? I was comparing the OCOD to the Puro Classic.
Originally Posted By: BlueOvalFitter
As I have said before, if you want a MUCH better filter than the OCOD, with metal end caps and cheaper in price, buy a Purolator Classic.
The OCOD and the Ultra are in totally different worlds. So you can't compare a Purolator Classic to the Ultra. We were talking about metal end caps, right?
According to oil filter folklore, isn't the OCOD the Extra Gaurd line of filters? And, the FU is gold? I was comparing the OCOD to the Puro Classic.
Been posted here before several times dating back to the "Fram challenge" in 2011. Strangely though the links to the yt have either expired or changed. Thing I remember most about this yt is the showing of the oil pump pressure relief valve, and what can happen if it fails. Found that part interesting.
As for the Tough Guard, it's about ~$6 at Wally. Using the lowest AAP 20% off online code, P1 can be had for $4.80-$5.60 everyday depending on application. And I prefer that construction, but that's just me.
But, local Napa has semi annual 40% off Gold filters sale making them less than $4, so I have number of them now in my stash now.
As for the Tough Guard, it's about ~$6 at Wally. Using the lowest AAP 20% off online code, P1 can be had for $4.80-$5.60 everyday depending on application. And I prefer that construction, but that's just me.
But, local Napa has semi annual 40% off Gold filters sale making them less than $4, so I have number of them now in my stash now.
Originally Posted By: sayjac
As for the Tough Guard, it's about ~$6 at Wally. Using the lowest AAP 20% off online code, P1 can be had for $4.80-$5.60 everyday depending on application. And I prefer that construction, but that's just me.
But, local Napa has semi annual 40% off Gold filters sale making them less than $4, so I have number of them now in my stash now.
As for the Tough Guard, it's about ~$6 at Wally. Using the lowest AAP 20% off online code, P1 can be had for $4.80-$5.60 everyday depending on application. And I prefer that construction, but that's just me.
But, local Napa has semi annual 40% off Gold filters sale making them less than $4, so I have number of them now in my stash now.
I have come to believe that the end caps are irrelevant. They only provide a surface for the sealing glue. Plenty of cartridge filters don't have end caps at all, and some canister filters I've cut open don't, either.
I dislike the Fram EG because of the low media surface area and comparitivly low efficiency, as well as being too expensive ($1 or more than an equivalent Purolator Classic).
An Ultra, on the other hand, comes at a great price for what you get.
I dislike the Fram EG because of the low media surface area and comparitivly low efficiency, as well as being too expensive ($1 or more than an equivalent Purolator Classic).
An Ultra, on the other hand, comes at a great price for what you get.
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
I dislike the Fram EG because of the low media surface area and comparitivly low efficiency, as well as being too expensive ($1 or more than an equivalent Purolator Classic).
An Ultra, on the other hand, comes at a great price for what you get.
Very well said.
I dislike the Fram EG because of the low media surface area and comparitivly low efficiency, as well as being too expensive ($1 or more than an equivalent Purolator Classic).
An Ultra, on the other hand, comes at a great price for what you get.
Very well said.
Originally Posted By: MinamiKotaro
I have come to believe that the end caps are irrelevant. They only provide a surface for the sealing glue. Plenty of cartridge filters don't have end caps at all, and some canister filters I've cut open don't, either.
I dislike the Fram EG because of the low media surface area and comparitivly low efficiency, as well as being too expensive ($1 or more than an equivalent Purolator Classic).
An Ultra, on the other hand, comes at a great price for what you get.
This is the real correct answer-the EG for my Jeep 4.0 has about half the pleats that it should have, and the FL-400S has a better ADBV & even costs less.
I have come to believe that the end caps are irrelevant. They only provide a surface for the sealing glue. Plenty of cartridge filters don't have end caps at all, and some canister filters I've cut open don't, either.
I dislike the Fram EG because of the low media surface area and comparitivly low efficiency, as well as being too expensive ($1 or more than an equivalent Purolator Classic).
An Ultra, on the other hand, comes at a great price for what you get.
This is the real correct answer-the EG for my Jeep 4.0 has about half the pleats that it should have, and the FL-400S has a better ADBV & even costs less.
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