What will poor people drive ?

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alarmguy said:
Funny you should mention Carvana. Yesterday I got a quote (for fun, knowing the high market values) on my 2017 Traverse with low mileage (and tow package) that I bought new to us two years ago form a local dealer, right in the mist of Covid when dealers had no one in the showrooms.

*LOL* AS of yesterday my truck is worth $8000 more than I paid for it two years ago.

Something similar happened to my brother who leases cars, likes a new one every three years. Well in this case he decided to buy it at the end of the lease because its worth (forgot exact number) over $6000 than what he paid for it. The dealer even wanted to work out a deal on the car for after he bought out the lease at a higher price than he paid at end of lease since he would let the dealer have the car back.
Amazing ...
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Carvana gave me the lowest quote
So you are probably worth more.
 
I think poor people will be driving whatever is cheap-ish to buy. I'd guess "dumb" (not autonomous) big gas vehicles which will be expensive to fuel up will probably be considered old junk at some point around 20 years. This is because a new silent, self driving and fueling, zero hassle EV entertainment box will whiz people around without the need for a licensed driver.
Also a crew cab pickup with a bed camper is almost a two bedroom apartment, so if real-estate continues on its trend to be a investment tool monopolized by fewer and richer people and companies, more and more smart employed people will be living in a vehicle. Even now, for what renting a room in a house costs, you can pay the loan on a pretty nice class b camper...
 
schwinney said:
Snowstorm?

.. I mean, think about this logically. If the way to keep a battery having a long life is to have it 100% charged or as close to as you can.. maybe some kind of battery desulphation device, like a Power Pulse, will help.

EVs are ridiculously fast and I just wonder why they are so heavy. Tesla Plaid is, what, a 9 second car? That's INSANE. But a testament to what can be done.. that's faster than a Dodge Demon I think, if it can hook. Point is . I think there may be some simple solutions to keep EVs going a long time.

Excellent points on those that note, there will be junky examples.
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Dude, these are lithium batteries, completely different chemistry from lead acid, the processes and conditions for which you just described. They are best not charged to 100% SoC, or completely discharged, but can be discharged far deeper than lead acid. They are best kept in a band of like 20%-80% SoC. While the packs themselves can be re-balanced, once a cell is cooked, that cell is done, and needs to be replaced. Depending on pack design, you might be swapping out a whole pile of cells (a whole module) or it may not be possible to be serviced by Average Joe with a wrench at all, say if the whole unit is potted as a structure member.
 
OVERKILL said:
Dude, these are lithium batteries, completely different chemistry from lead acid, the processes and conditions for which you just described. They are best not charged to 100% SoC, or completely discharged, but can be discharged far deeper than lead acid. They are best kept in a band of like 20%-80% SoC. While the packs themselves can be re-balanced, once a cell is cooked, that cell is done, and needs to be replaced. Depending on pack design, you might be swapping out a whole pile of cells (a whole module) or it may not be possible to be serviced by Average Joe with a wrench at all, say if the whole unit is potted as a structure member.
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So the are like LiPo cell phone batteries? Or.. well, again, if those are the ones best kept at least 20%

Seems Lead Acid tech doesnt apply.. I withdraw my CTEK comment.
 
skyactiv said:
Wife and I made over 300k last year and we have a 2015 Audi A4 and a Corolla Hybrid. I know plenty of people that earn much less than us that drive far more expensive vehicles. The Audi cost what a typical nicely equipped, but discounted Ram/Silverado/F150 was bought at.
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Where you live has a tremendous, and direct, impact on how far what you make goes. Somebody making 300K in California is nowhere near as well off as somebody making 300K in Small Town Alabama for example. For a Canadian example, somebody making 300K in Toronto will barely be able to afford a house or condo, while somebody making that money in New Brunswick or Nova Scotia is considered extremely well-off.

Then there is debt load. Somebody with little to no debt (mortgage, student loans...etc) may be more comfortable buying a more expensive vehicle than somebody who makes more but has a large mortgage and/or large debt from school. Working in the medical field, it's interesting to see what different doctors drive, as it is all over the map from S8's and Tesla S's to F-150's and inexpensive SUV's.

There's some relativity that plays-in to this as well.
 
Goodness, a lot of you referring to poor people as "they" in a negative way. I'd include myself in that "poor" category. Not everybody has it like that.
 
Some of you are assuming that we will still have "poor" people in the near future. If things continue the way they are headed, we won't. Everyone will be equal and those "poor" people will drive the same cars as everyone else, except they won't be paying their "fair share" for the car, the insurance or the gas or electricity needed to run it. The rest of us will pay for it in order to achieve equality and equity. That is the government solution to the problem.
 
Kjmack said:
They make it too easy and profitable to stay there
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Start with downsizing.

I have been reducing my food budget as best is possible given a variety of circumstances...

Getting a 2nd job won't exactly work but cut out as much unnecessary expense, you'll come out even anyways if you drive a gasoline or diesel vehicle (most likely) .
 
DwightFrye said:
Some of you are assuming that we will still have "poor" people in the near future. If things continue the way they are headed, we won't. Everyone will be equal and those "poor" people will drive the same cars as everyone else, except they won't be paying their "fair share" for the car, the insurance or the gas or electricity needed to run it. The rest of us will pay for it in order to achieve equality and equity. That is the government solution to the problem.
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I knew you were from California before I even looked, reading that ;)

We tried the UBI experiment up here and it was scrapped. There's a large segment of the population that isn't comfortable with the idea of their taxes funding the lifestyles of another large portion of the population, many of which have made bad choices and their position is one of their own creation. Of course there are many who have just had bad luck/bad times or lack the ability to better their situation, but the point is that these programs breed resentment in people, and these people also vote. I doubt we'll ever see unanimous support for it.
 
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