Already happening. It’s called Uber and to a little lesser of a degree, Lyft.
What will poor people drive ?
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Depends.
For a large enough manufacturer like Toyota there will be ways to fix it, without them shafting you in the butt like Tesla did with their ECU eMMC chip failure. I wouldn't count on Today's Tesla being any nicer to fix than tomorrow's Toyota that's for sure.
There's also enough total lost every year that many of the non wear and tear items are salvaged for the rare repair need. Problem is more like how long are cars design for? Will these chips be the one that crush the cars? So far for gas cars it is not, for EV most likely the battery would be and not the ECU.
If this is your problem stay away from Nissan's with a Jatco CVT, I remember reading some end up in the junkyard at 80k miles because the tranny grenaded.
Same as crew cabs and large suvs, somehow nobody care these don't trickle down well to the poor people of tomorrow.
As the old saying, everyone wants to buy a brown diesel wagon with manual transmission used, right after warranty expires. This is why nobody make them new and they will never be able to buy them used.
1) There's no sedan in there.
2) There's no EVs in there.
The "problem" if you would call it that, is the same "problem" our thread title says "what will poor people drive". SUVs and pickups with horrible fuel economy is not ideal for poor people, but nobody complains about our society cannot trickle down horrible transportation for poor people. This, if a "problem", is not an EV problem, but in reality more of a pickup and SUV culture problem.
The more fundamental problem is, there is no money to be made from poor people, so there is no solution for it.
They going drive these when 20 years old and cheap. Parking garage in California.
To match the quality of my 95 Corolla, at $13k then, they will need to sell the same corolla at $30k today. Outside of the pandemic shortage they are not selling a corolla for 30k today, more like for 20k. So, something has to be cut at that price.
If you want the same quality you probably need to buy a base model Acura or Infiniti, even then you may not get the same bullet proof build quality. You are probably better off replacing a corolla every 120k today vs every 200k years ago.
This always seems to happen, people feeling the old days were better than the new stuff. But I don't think that's necessarily true, people tend to lock on to the exceptions and not notice the bigger trend. Yes, the options can be more complex, but the basics like the engine/transmissions seem to be getting better, although there's always some engine or transmission that pops up as particularly troublesome, but that's because we expect them to be reliable these days. Major complaints like infotainment systems can usually be updated by firmware. In the old days, you used to have a muffler shop on every other corner. Now those shops are either gone or they turned into brake or other general repair shops.
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Can EV batteries be desulphated with a CTEK?
That's one way to solve a problem, blow it up!
no. it takes thousands of cells to power an EV, & when a few selectively degrade. the battery pack requires measuring/service desoldering.
Plus the rheostat potentiometers needed to operate EV. It's like CDI ignition. Eventually, a portion of the system burns out goes short or open circuit. Far more hidden circuits hiding in potting epoxy. Can't beat points for repairability or clutch manual trans for repair.
Those $8k-17k battery packs won't be tediously repaired by the poor. They get junked.
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Snowstorm?That's one way to solve a problem, blow it up!
.. I mean, think about this logically. If the way to keep a battery having a long life is to have it 100% charged or as close to as you can.. maybe some kind of battery desulphation device, like a Power Pulse, will help.
EVs are ridiculously fast and I just wonder why they are so heavy. Tesla Plaid is, what, a 9 second car? That's INSANE. But a testament to what can be done.. that's faster than a Dodge Demon I think, if it can hook. Point is . I think there may be some simple solutions to keep EVs going a long time.
Excellent points on those that note, there will be junky examples.
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I feel sorry for the people laughing at this post.
They either have no idea or already own “nothing” and therefore look forward to the equality and fairness.. both of which is pathetic.
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It's a generation lost.. I actually thought that was a joke, I didn't know it was a direct quote. Thank you for that.
He may be the mayor , or local bookie
Look at what the poor drive now: '90s–'00s Honda Accords, Toyota Camrys, and a few similar vehicles. Whatever lasts 20–30 years is what they'll drive if they can still drive.
We like to think older cars were better. But stop and think about all the '90s cars and SUVs that are just completely gone from the roads today, while those old Accords and Camrys soldier on. Many of those vehicles were too complex, rust-prone, not durable, or unreliable, or parts are unavailable. Often they were intentionally not built to last anyway. When's the last time you saw, say, a 1995 Chevy Cavalier on the road?
We've had a recent thread from a member getting an old Lincoln Navigator back on the road and getting the air suspension system working again. Many of the small parts in that system are unavailable from Ford or the aftermarket today, so he had to scour salvage yards. That kind of vehicle isn't what today's poor are driving.
Look at the most reliable, least complex new vehicles on the market today and you can figure out what the poor will use in 20–30 years. Unfortunately, the number of such vehicles is pretty small. Electronic gizmos, including those now mandated, add to complexity and cost.
We like to think older cars were better. But stop and think about all the '90s cars and SUVs that are just completely gone from the roads today, while those old Accords and Camrys soldier on. Many of those vehicles were too complex, rust-prone, not durable, or unreliable, or parts are unavailable. Often they were intentionally not built to last anyway. When's the last time you saw, say, a 1995 Chevy Cavalier on the road?
We've had a recent thread from a member getting an old Lincoln Navigator back on the road and getting the air suspension system working again. Many of the small parts in that system are unavailable from Ford or the aftermarket today, so he had to scour salvage yards. That kind of vehicle isn't what today's poor are driving.
Look at the most reliable, least complex new vehicles on the market today and you can figure out what the poor will use in 20–30 years. Unfortunately, the number of such vehicles is pretty small. Electronic gizmos, including those now mandated, add to complexity and cost.
Funny you should mention Carvana. Yesterday I got a quote (for fun, knowing the high market values) on my 2017 Traverse with low mileage (and tow package) that I bought new to us two years ago form a local dealer, right in the mist of Covid when dealers had no one in the showrooms.
*LOL* AS of yesterday my truck is worth $8000 more than I paid for it two years ago.
Something similar happened to my brother who leases cars, likes a new one every three years. Well in this case he decided to buy it at the end of the lease because its worth (forgot exact number) over $6000 than what he paid for it. The dealer even wanted to work out a deal on the car for after he bought out the lease at a higher price than he paid at end of lease since he would let the dealer have the car back.
Amazing ...
Good post but my answer is this. Its not feasible and it doesnt have to be, mass media has the public thinking that EV's are going to take over the market and gasoline vehicles are going to go away.
Its makes a great news story but nothing could be further from the truth. There will still be more new gasoline vehicles on the road in 20 years than EV's.
Wife and I made over 300k last year and we have a 2015 Audi A4 and a Corolla Hybrid. I know plenty of people that earn much less than us that drive far more expensive vehicles. The Audi cost what a typical nicely equipped, but discounted Ram/Silverado/F150 was bought at.
I have been driving old junk for years.....In 20 years I will just be a memory...
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