Really poor people can't afford cars. The EVs will depreciate just like cars, even Tesla's depreciate, just not that much right now. But when there's lots on the road, they will also be cheap to own and require less repairs. With Youtube, you don't actually need to be that smart to repair a car. And being poor doesn't mean you're stupid although sometimes there is correlation. Look at how Prius is pretty popular with gig works like Uber and Doordash even though their batteries and other systems can be expensive to fix.
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Really poor people can't afford cars. The EVs will depreciate just like cars, even Tesla's depreciate, just not that much right now. But when there's lots on the road, they will also be cheap to own and require less repairs. With Youtube, you don't actually need to be that smart to repair a car. And being poor doesn't mean you're stupid although sometimes there is correlation. Look at how Prius is pretty popular with gig works like Uber and Doordash even though their batteries and other systems can be expensive to fix.
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Poor people actually drive some really expensive cars so....
Without right to repair people wont be able to get failing computers cheaply fixed and other things cheaply replaced that need to be reprogrammed with a proprietary computer. Without right to repair the poor person wont be able to drive anything 20+ years down the line. Way too much computer crap that will be too expensive to fix for what the car is worth unless it can be fixed for much less.
In 50 years cars wont run and drive. Data rot would have killed the storage chips holding the software and other data. Proprietary everything from the pinout of the bga soldered components and to the software itself means they will never be fixed. Unless everything is retrofitted with universal components that can adapt physically and digitally the concept of a running and driving classic car is straight up dead as hell.
In 50 years cars wont run and drive. Data rot would have killed the storage chips holding the software and other data. Proprietary everything from the pinout of the bga soldered components and to the software itself means they will never be fixed. Unless everything is retrofitted with universal components that can adapt physically and digitally the concept of a running and driving classic car is straight up dead as hell.
I’ll probably still be driving the same junk.
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The EV part of it is virtually irrelevant. Cars still have tons of parts that break, that fail, that degrade, that get ugly or faded or cracked.
Batteries degrade. That will be the one discriminator I think. The current situation is that you find some old guzzler or oil burner, but you still have a tank of gas and know how far you can go. I suspect that the “haves” won’t want to put up with an eV that has a fraction of its original range, and half the systems in it failed or failing. These cars will get sold two or three times just like a current vehicle does.
And the poor folks with have a 56 mike range EV with broken air conditioner and wobbly suspension, no different than a jalopy they may drive today.
Lets not forget, all the non power train things that break and fail on cars today, will do so on EVs tomorrow… maybe even more…
Batteries degrade. That will be the one discriminator I think. The current situation is that you find some old guzzler or oil burner, but you still have a tank of gas and know how far you can go. I suspect that the “haves” won’t want to put up with an eV that has a fraction of its original range, and half the systems in it failed or failing. These cars will get sold two or three times just like a current vehicle does.
And the poor folks with have a 56 mike range EV with broken air conditioner and wobbly suspension, no different than a jalopy they may drive today.
Lets not forget, all the non power train things that break and fail on cars today, will do so on EVs tomorrow… maybe even more…
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I somewhat agree, but the free market will come up with options. I do think the interest in “classics” will fade as the headaches to keep them become more real, parts NLA, etc.
At some point you have to wonder if the proprietary component cycle would mirror the computer industry…
There will be a secondary market for EV's just like there is with anything else. Every type of vehicle is already a compromise of some sort as it is. That's really not something unique to EV's. Someone out there will find profitable and practical solutions to most of the current concerns that people have about EV's just as they did more than a century ago when gasoline cars were the new tech.
the brutal truth is, electric vehicles are a rich man’s virtue-signaling indulgence. i suggest that more effort be placed now into cheaper and more efficient generation and transmission of electricity from coal, hydro and especially nuclear sources.
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Unless Skynet pays for electricity for that....
Essuvees and trucks? Look on all these evs they are forcing on people in this parking garage. Shameful how they are forced into ev’s. That the same row on different days.
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Not really understanding this post.
Parking lot looks kinda like Easton Mall.
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The batteries will be the biggest issue IMHO, their cost makes them very comparable to an engine failure, which sends a lot of cars to the wreckers. Thing is, if you are resourceful, you can wreckers pull an engine in good shape and get another 10 years out of it, provided the body on the car holds up, you wreckers pull an already 8 year old battery, it doesn't have 10 more years left in it, it has a very finite lifespan, that's going to be problematic for people that currently shop in the $500-2,500 used vehicle market.
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Cost-prohibitive.
1) There will always be enough money to fix the road, when people are pissed off about their road condition enough they will vote to pay for it, or tear the old one down and turn it into a pedestrian lane only, raise toll, reduce lanes, etc etc.
2) The biggest problem is not EV eliminating gas cars on the road and poor people cannot afford to drive. The biggest problem is, the mechanics rate are going so high that cars are not worth fixing locally but are sent to 3rd world right before problem arise. Critics told me that some dealers are charging $220-240/hr and those mechanics are making 140k a year. So in those cases what are you going to do with ANY car that's old enough and start having problems? Yes we will have quick struts and whole system swap, but with cars getting more complicated and less people having time to DIY maintenance, they will be sent oversea instead of fixed.
3) Do you think poor people would rather drive a Corolla? or a crew cab / SUVs with 20mpg? what are they going to do when today's middle class buy all those crew cab / SUVs so even Ford stopped building sedans? I think this is a bigger problem than companies building EVs because swapping a battery pack on EV should only be maybe 3 hrs of labor max, with battery cost being maybe 10-15k max (likely 6-8k if scale improve or poor people buying middle aged junkyard battery).
4) If you are concerned about homeless people living in a car, they will buy the worn out EV and sleep next to a charger plugged in, with AC / heater / entertainment / etc. Maybe supercharger stations will be the future homeless shelters, just saying.
Hard to say, there may be business models out there who sell and finance a new battery. You don't finance a worn out gas car because you cannot sell it, but if battery, self contained, have warranty, they can be financed independently for a payment plan, it may cost money but not new car money.
Think of it this way, you have CPO today extending warranty to a much longer time. You can have "CPO" EV out there with a much higher price because the battery is "new". You can 1) pay for a new battery, 2) finance a new battery and put a lien on your car with insurance just like a CPO car, 3) you can sell your car to someone who will replace the battery and then flip them in the used market, 3rd world or not.
Instead of OEM battery we probably will get some CATL or LG battery with lesser range for cheap, or extended range for more, instead of identical OEM from 10 years prior.
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Gentrification is pushing the poor from cities with decent to good transit to the suburbs here.
Santander and the other subprime lenders as well as BHPH lots and Lyft/Uber will have a field day soon.
Depends on your definition of really poor people. We have a huge homeless population living in 90s car now. Many homeless have jobs and live in RVs along industrial roads, some just live next to their workplace and use their bathroom at night.
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