What stereo amplifier/receiver?

When I started upgrading my university days crappy stereo equipment I was going to buy a "highly rated" but in truth a mid-FY receiver. The stereo shop had one in stock and the price was agreed. Then the sales guy said "before we write this up why not listen to this". And he demonstrated a (20 Watt) NAD 3020 integrated amp. The improvement in sound quality was unbelievable. You just can't buy mid-FY stuff when high-FY (or at least borderline high-FY) stuff is readily available and not even very expensive.

So my suggestion is pick one really good component that works with the stuff you already have and add good stuff to your system over time. That's how you build a killer system without spending big bucks.

You don't have to go crazy and buy a $20,000 preamp either (I made that price up but you get the point). My not so expensive Mirage M1 speakers were rated as "the best in the world" by "Absolute Sound" magazine when the second best speakers were 10 or 20 times more expensive. [For the record the Mirage M1 speakers were developed by stereo gear heads using the National Research Council's anechoic lab in Ottawa.]

And working high quality vintage stuff is fine too. My Mark Levinson Power Amp was a few years old. The old stuff can even be fixed.
I can't believe that you can spend $20 grand on a home reciever. At that price it better wash my car fix breakfast and take me to work.
 
Receiver? You can spend that on a single amp, lol. Speakers get even more insane.
Oh yeah I Googled worlds most expensive speakers and there were severl sets over a million dollars. Goodcans used to be a great headphone and audio website but the guy retired and shut it down. It's weird seeing headphones with used car prices.
 
I can't believe that you can spend $20 grand on a home reciever. At that price it better wash my car fix breakfast and take me to work.
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I can't believe that you can spend $20 grand on a home reciever. At that price it better wash my car fix breakfast and take me to work.
I did say I was just making up that price. You're probably right about receivers not costing 20 grand because really high end audio systems don't generally use a receiver. They use separate components. To replace a receiver there would be a pre-amp, a power amp, a pre-pre amp (for the phono cartridge), possibly a DAC, and a tuner.

Try pricing some high end equipment. In less than 2 minutes I found a DAC for $20,950 ($22,950 with a Class A headphone amp). You can easily spend over $20,000 on speakers, over $10,000 for a turntable, etc.

Do you need super expensive stuff to have a good system? I didn't and mine is quite good. Not really high end but quite presentable.
 
I would bet you can find a real good deal buying something used. Stick with a known brand and seek out the features you want. Receivers basically sound about the same. Specs are about the same too with audio extending beyond the human range at both ends. Put your money on good speakers. You will get the best bang for your buck there.
 
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I did say I was just making up that price. You're probably right about receivers not costing 20 grand because really high end audio systems don't generally use a receiver. They use separate components. To replace a receiver there would be a pre-amp, a power amp, a pre-pre amp (for the phono cartridge), possibly a DAC, and a tuner.

Try pricing some high end equipment. In less than 2 minutes I found a DAC for $20,950 ($22,950 with a Class A headphone amp). You can easily spend over $20,000 on speakers, over $10,000 for a turntable, etc.

Do you need super expensive stuff to have a good system? I didn't and mine is quite good. Not really high end but quite presentable.
I’ll agree and one of the biggest issues people think I throw this that and everything else at it and the room itself is never taken in consideration and it has one of the biggest impacts in sound itself.
 
Also position, height and toe-in of speaker placement. It's all very maddening if you're a serious audiophile! (And let's not forget your hearing changes as well.) A older (perhaps not with the latest technology) receiver can be bought for a reasonable amount used. If sound quality is a major concern, a beast of an older receiver is a Sherwood RV-6030R. (I modify equipment to get the best sound quality.) The slightly less powerful, one model down, is the Sherwood RV-5030R which is $90 on Ebay right now. (Regretfully w/o remote.) Also, the Yamaha RX-770 is a wonderful receiver as well. But with older equipment, capacitors may need to changed out. So many toys to chose!
 
But with older equipment, capacitors may need to changed out.
I had to change out the capacitors in my Mark Levinson power amp. But that was years ago and not very expensive.

Used older equipment can be repaired and can be quite good value. I'm told that older audio equipment is actually more easily repaired than the newer stuff.

Mark Levinson will take your old Mark Levinson amp and check all the components and repair/replace what isn't up to spec. Only thing is they want it to arrive in the original box and charge extra for a new box (for shipping) if you haven't got one. I've never looked into the details of this service as these amps are so heavy they must cost a fortune to even ship. Anyway I've still got the original box.
 
I would be scared to death to ship a valuable and heavy piece of equipment unless triple boxed and w/bubble wrap/peanuts/& styrofoam galore! Once shipped a Bryston 4B ST, I was worried but was double boxed and one of boxes was factory. Can't image the shipping cost now w/the prices of everything!
 
I would be scared to death to ship a valuable and heavy piece of equipment unless triple boxed and w/bubble wrap/peanuts/& styrofoam galore! Once shipped a Bryston 4B ST, I was worried but was double boxed and one of boxes was factory. Can't image the shipping cost now w/the prices of everything!
You nailed it. Stuck on this right now!
 
Under $1200

Decent wattage, w/input BT on board better, turntable, CD player. Subwoofer output. Maybe TV input in the future but don't really want a 5.1 or 7.1

Clean sound.

Open ideas, without Fabulous $27,000 Audio Brothers recommendations. :p :cool:
@OVERKILL had some really good recommendations on Bryston.

Here is one from Wyred 4 Sound that'll be too expensive new but used will fall in the $350-800 range depending on age & condition. 100w/ch integrated amp. Made in Atascadero, CA.

https://wyred4sound.com/products/mint

For a dedicated phono stage, I like Monolithic Sound. Gregg has done work for me in the past & does excellent, no frills, work. He mainly OEM's for other manufacturers but does have a few products he sells with his branding on them (all hand made in Nipomo, CA).

https://www.monolithicsound.com/PS2.html

I've used (or currently use) both W4S & Monolithic Sound products. Never have I had an issue with either.

If you're looking for a refurbished unit (like Marantz) with a warranty, some of my friends have ordered from these guys with good results & pricing:

https://www.accessories4less.com/ma...MI2obE4cSliwMVvR-tBh0QPzm1EAAYASAAEgI89PD_BwE
 
Bought the Marantz PM7000N on discount.
You are probably going to find the phono stage disappointing, like I did with my Denon AVR-X4200W (and why I'm using the PS Audio for that purpose). That's a good building block for the digital side of things, though a bit light on channel power at 60W, and doesn't appear to have HDMI.

If you have it in the budget, I'd still recommend grabbing that Bryston amp, just because it's an incredible deal. You can use the Marantz as a pre+DAC combo (how I use my Denon) and can add a separate phono stage later on if you feel the urge (which you probably will).
 
You are probably going to find the phono stage disappointing, like I did with my Denon AVR-X4200W (and why I'm using the PS Audio for that purpose). That's a good building block for the digital side of things, though a bit light on channel power at 60W.

If you have it in the budget, I'd still recommend grabbing that Bryston amp, just because it's an incredible deal. You can use the Marantz as a pre+DAC combo (how I use my Denon) and can add a separate phono stage later on if you feel the urge (which you probably will).
Probably so, but later when I get “more” speaker.
 
Also position, height and toe-in of speaker placement. It's all very maddening if you're a serious audiophile! (And let's not forget your hearing changes as well.) A older (perhaps not with the latest technology) receiver can be bought for a reasonable amount used. If sound quality is a major concern, a beast of an older receiver is a Sherwood RV-6030R. (I modify equipment to get the best sound quality.) The slightly less powerful, one model down, is the Sherwood RV-5030R which is $90 on Ebay right now. (Regretfully w/o remote.) Also, the Yamaha RX-770 is a wonderful receiver as well. But with older equipment, capacitors may need to changed out. So many toys to chose!
Wayne Gretzky built an actual IMAX in his house. They even went as far as acoustic tiles and the works.
 
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