what should I do about my manager?
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Well, now we see the real problem. You're the only "rooster" in the hen house with a queen bee as a boss.
Very tough position to work in.
Are you ignored in conversations much?
Very tough position to work in.
Are you ignored in conversations much?
Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Well, now we see the real problem. You're the only "rooster" in the hen house with a queen bee as a boss.
Very tough position to work in.
Are you ignored in conversations much?
oh ya. my team leader, manager, director, and VP are all female. The CEO of the company is male though. Since I'm the only rooster, does that make me a threat?
yeah, you could say I'm ignored. There is one person on my team who talks to me to try to get information out of me. She's two faced, so I know better. I do have to watch what I say at work. I remember saying something about my sunfire transmission two months ago to the girl that sat behind me. Another girl on my team, from the other end of the office, asked me if I was going to buy another car since I was having transmission problems. I only told one person.
I need to start feeding some misinformation to the mole who sits behind me
Well, now we see the real problem. You're the only "rooster" in the hen house with a queen bee as a boss.
Very tough position to work in.
Are you ignored in conversations much?
oh ya. my team leader, manager, director, and VP are all female. The CEO of the company is male though. Since I'm the only rooster, does that make me a threat?
yeah, you could say I'm ignored. There is one person on my team who talks to me to try to get information out of me. She's two faced, so I know better. I do have to watch what I say at work. I remember saying something about my sunfire transmission two months ago to the girl that sat behind me. Another girl on my team, from the other end of the office, asked me if I was going to buy another car since I was having transmission problems. I only told one person.
I need to start feeding some misinformation to the mole who sits behind me
Originally Posted By: mva
You need to realize that your primary job is to make your Manager look good.
It's too bad that she doesn't appear to give you credit but keep working hard and doing your job well and it will eventually pay off.
In the meantime you might want to look at job opportunities elsewhere.
I am a Manager. I got to be one by making sure my useless boss was always successful. And if I was more positive I would probably be even higher up the totem pole.
I agree with this advice. If you can find an opportunity in another dept it may be worth taking.
Remember that nobody interviews the mechanic when the driver wins the race.
You need to realize that your primary job is to make your Manager look good.
It's too bad that she doesn't appear to give you credit but keep working hard and doing your job well and it will eventually pay off.
In the meantime you might want to look at job opportunities elsewhere.
I am a Manager. I got to be one by making sure my useless boss was always successful. And if I was more positive I would probably be even higher up the totem pole.
I agree with this advice. If you can find an opportunity in another dept it may be worth taking.
Remember that nobody interviews the mechanic when the driver wins the race.
I think I would do a little "marketing" - a periodic update to your bosses boss, showing all the things that you are accomplishing...
including the ones he thinks she is doing.
including the ones he thinks she is doing.
you should really really take simple gifts advice, to cover yourself
Just had a thought. I wonder since my manager is having me do her work then complain that I'm not meeting productivity (which is a very high unrealistic expectation that no one meets). hmm..we are in a recession. possible excuse to get rid of me?
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Originally Posted By: Gary Allan
Are others capable of doing what you do, at the level of performance that you do it? That is, can she whip another mule and get the same tonnage out of them?
Sometimes it won't matter. I've seem miserable managers that really do not care who is under them. They are just going to dispense misery and continue to do so with whomever is under them.
+1
I've got a few of those...
Are others capable of doing what you do, at the level of performance that you do it? That is, can she whip another mule and get the same tonnage out of them?
Sometimes it won't matter. I've seem miserable managers that really do not care who is under them. They are just going to dispense misery and continue to do so with whomever is under them.
+1
I've got a few of those...
have you had a performance review yet?
I wonder about the propriety and legality of your doing case audits as a low level employee. Perhaps you should inquire two levels up...
The bad thing about that is (when properly used) performance reports are key to employee improvement. instead they are the justification why they did or didn't give you a raise.
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The CEO of the company is male though. Since I'm the only rooster, does that make me a threat?
No, not really. You do make an excellent candidate for the Omega member of the pack. You can be the oppressed minority and pay for all past crimes of their poor choices or ill adventures with all males. You may be the person who manages to get blamed for everything. We had one. He didn't even have to be on duty for some event to end up being his fault.
You may be providing a vital pressure release vent for much displaced anxiety. You (or someone) is essential to otherwise functional working relationships for the rest of the group.
All people are predatory and competitive. The distinctions are the level of socialization and class.
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I need to start feeding some misinformation to the mole who sits behind me
There are no secrets in any group. No one keeps their mouth shut. Everyone has a confidant ...it's sorta a social diease in how it spreads. In fact, it is a truely social how this spreads.
I'd always be friendly, while never making friends. You're conversational fodder for the rumor mill if you really say anything.
The CEO of the company is male though. Since I'm the only rooster, does that make me a threat?
No, not really. You do make an excellent candidate for the Omega member of the pack. You can be the oppressed minority and pay for all past crimes of their poor choices or ill adventures with all males. You may be the person who manages to get blamed for everything. We had one. He didn't even have to be on duty for some event to end up being his fault.
You may be providing a vital pressure release vent for much displaced anxiety. You (or someone) is essential to otherwise functional working relationships for the rest of the group.
All people are predatory and competitive. The distinctions are the level of socialization and class.
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I need to start feeding some misinformation to the mole who sits behind me
There are no secrets in any group. No one keeps their mouth shut. Everyone has a confidant ...it's sorta a social diease in how it spreads. In fact, it is a truely social how this spreads.
I'd always be friendly, while never making friends. You're conversational fodder for the rumor mill if you really say anything.
everyone's boss does it. they delegate. i wrote many good reports and my name did not even appear on them...
my boss sends me alot of non chargeable work... then i get questioned abut why my chargeable hours aren't great and stare redundancy n the face because of it.
that's working for a boss, and why people prefer working for themselves.
my boss sends me alot of non chargeable work... then i get questioned abut why my chargeable hours aren't great and stare redundancy n the face because of it.
that's working for a boss, and why people prefer working for themselves.
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everyone's boss does it. they delegate.
Sure they do. There's a difference between motivating your subordinates and flogging them to death. The best way to get someone to perform miracles it to give them recognition for it. That's often all it takes. People like to feel appreciated ..not milked for what they're worth. The pay is the same. The demands are the same. Only the demeanor is altered.
In Cutehumor's instance, it appears that he's doing her job for her so that she can screw off.
everyone's boss does it. they delegate.
Sure they do. There's a difference between motivating your subordinates and flogging them to death. The best way to get someone to perform miracles it to give them recognition for it. That's often all it takes. People like to feel appreciated ..not milked for what they're worth. The pay is the same. The demands are the same. Only the demeanor is altered.
In Cutehumor's instance, it appears that he's doing her job for her so that she can screw off.
I was so angry about this one that I forgot about it, I woke up this morning thinking about it. Before I left yesterday, she sent me a 20 paged single spaced word document for me to read. She wanted me to read it and mail her any comments. not a big deal right?
But the original email was sent from the Sr VP on changes in the "Standard Operating Procedures" of our unit. It was emailed from to the Sr VP to the six Directors and to the six Managers to make them aware of the changes. We peons were not included in the email. The original email asked all of management to "Please read, if you have any comments or suggestions, let me know thanks". Within five minutes, my manager forwards the Sr. VP email to me to read the 20 paged single space document with all of that technical legal bable, comment, and email back to her what I think.
I got three options. A) Pretend that I didn't receive her email. B) tell her that I received it but I was busting my butt on my productivity that I didn't have time to read it. C) run to the men's bathroom whenever I see her
But the original email was sent from the Sr VP on changes in the "Standard Operating Procedures" of our unit. It was emailed from to the Sr VP to the six Directors and to the six Managers to make them aware of the changes. We peons were not included in the email. The original email asked all of management to "Please read, if you have any comments or suggestions, let me know thanks". Within five minutes, my manager forwards the Sr. VP email to me to read the 20 paged single space document with all of that technical legal bable, comment, and email back to her what I think.
I got three options. A) Pretend that I didn't receive her email. B) tell her that I received it but I was busting my butt on my productivity that I didn't have time to read it. C) run to the men's bathroom whenever I see her
Originally Posted By: tom slick
The bad thing about that is (when properly used) performance reports are key to employee improvement. instead they are the justification why they did or didn't give you a raise.
my last job was like that. I got mediocre evaluations to give me as little a payraise as possible. I spent almost 3 years at that place, glad I left.
The bad thing about that is (when properly used) performance reports are key to employee improvement. instead they are the justification why they did or didn't give you a raise.
my last job was like that. I got mediocre evaluations to give me as little a payraise as possible. I spent almost 3 years at that place, glad I left.
you forgot option four, play dumb, gosh boss that was so over my head i didnt understand a word of it, could we schedule some time to go over it together?
Its friendly, it offers her the opportunity to fix it and you can keep records of your emails back and forth.
the more disagreable you are the shorter your time there will be, she will find a reason to get rid of you, weather you did anything wrong or not.
Simple gifts had some very good advice, protect yourself first, keep your eyes open for another opportunity, we spend far too much time at work for it to be heck ever day!
Its friendly, it offers her the opportunity to fix it and you can keep records of your emails back and forth.
the more disagreable you are the shorter your time there will be, she will find a reason to get rid of you, weather you did anything wrong or not.
Simple gifts had some very good advice, protect yourself first, keep your eyes open for another opportunity, we spend far too much time at work for it to be heck ever day!
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Originally Posted By: Cutehumor
Originally Posted By: tom slick
have you had a performance review yet?
NO
I was supposed to have one in March, but it never happened. She has told us, no payraises or bonuses since the recession though.
See if you can get a written review, even if you know there will be no pay raises. After your review, you can make a better decision on if you want to stay or quit.
Originally Posted By: tom slick
have you had a performance review yet?
NO
See if you can get a written review, even if you know there will be no pay raises. After your review, you can make a better decision on if you want to stay or quit.
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More important than your performance review, does your company have a system in place that gives you the opportunity to formally review your boss? We do. You could probably write a chapter on your boss. Start now.
Even if you don't have such a system in place, compose a review of your boss, listing the things you mentioned here. In fact, keep a running diary to document what is going on. It'll help you compose your thoughts. When the time finally comes that an opportunity arises where you get discussion with Human Resources or her manager, you can have this document under your arm to present to her superiors. Thoughts and details have a way of evaporating when you're face to face with her superiors. I'll admit that I'm not quick with my mouth.
I once did something similar with a colleague that was harassing me. The detailed documentation I presented weighed heavily with my case (that, and witnesses).
Even if you don't have such a system in place, compose a review of your boss, listing the things you mentioned here. In fact, keep a running diary to document what is going on. It'll help you compose your thoughts. When the time finally comes that an opportunity arises where you get discussion with Human Resources or her manager, you can have this document under your arm to present to her superiors. Thoughts and details have a way of evaporating when you're face to face with her superiors. I'll admit that I'm not quick with my mouth.
I once did something similar with a colleague that was harassing me. The detailed documentation I presented weighed heavily with my case (that, and witnesses).
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