What is the story with Rossi?

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Importers of I believe Brazilian made firearms. (BrazTech/Rossi, iirc) OK stuff, historically spotty availability/service.

I had the lever fever bad and ponied up for a Marlin 1894 in .357 a few years ago. It was there in stock, and I just had to have it! You'll love yours if it ever shows up. :-)

Do you reload yet? A max charge of Hodgdon's H110/ Winchester 296 and a 125 or 158 grain jhp will wake that gun UP!!!!
 
Need a Better FFL ;), but they seem to be pretty popular. I'm trying to save my pennies to get a Ranch hand in .44 mag..
 
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There is a new one on gunbroker right now for $440. Check some of the online sites if you want one bad. I don't wait around for a shop to find something. I look myself then have it shipped to them.
 
Originally Posted By: Mr_Joe
There is a new one on gunbroker right now for $440. Check some of the online sites if you want one bad. I don't wait around for a shop to find something. I look myself then have it shipped to them.


I've been shopping GB almost daily and sorta gave up.

I don't usually wait either. I just bought two hand guns on Gunbroker, but with the cc fees, shipping, $75 FFL transfer fees, full sales tax collection, GB can be insane, so I have to be selective. The last guy gave me a little trick to avoid the CC fee, plus I found a FFL who will do the paperwork for $25, etc

Anyway - if there is the exact model for $440 then that's pretty good. I'm getting it locally for $429.

PS I searched an found one, not $440, but $459 with no model number posted.
 
Please forgive my ignorance, but why would you want a rifle (long gun) chambered in a handgun caliber ? I thought that hand gun cartridges were optimized for hand guns and rifle cartridges were optimized for rifles ? Please educate me.

Thanks
 
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The one I see is a model 92 lever on Gunbroker for $439. Yes you have to jump through the rest of the hoops to get one delivered.

To jump in a little on Milkman's question. I think individual preference comes into play a lot. Personally I'm not a big Rossi fan, don't even feel the need for a lever 357. Then you have the cowboy action guys that may need one. I suppose I do have a few irons the next guy may not desire though. I did recently buy a Browning BL-22, lever 22. That is a fun gun.
 
Originally Posted By: Milkman
Please forgive my ignorance, but why would you want a rifle (long gun) chambered in a handgun caliber ? I thought that hand gun cartridges were optimized for hand guns and rifle cartridges were optimized for rifles ? Please educate me.

Thanks

For a lightweight carbine. Thats the whole basis of the WWII M1 Carbine rifle is all about. That .30 cartridge it fires is also chambered in handguns.
 
Originally Posted By: Milkman
Please forgive my ignorance, but why would you want a rifle (long gun) chambered in a handgun caliber ? I thought that hand gun cartridges were optimized for hand guns and rifle cartridges were optimized for rifles ? Please educate me.

Thanks


Well I called Rossi. They are indeed clueless on volumes and delivery. Sometimes I just wonder how companies stay afloat….

As for the question of why typical hand gun rounds for lever guns, I’ll give you a very condensed opinion. I’m not a historian, nor do I play one on BITOG (but I love history)

1) Common cartridge. A westerner could have a rifle and a revolver, and only carry one size ammo. Doesn’t really fit some of the guns today because they didn’t have .357 mag and .44 mag back then. But they did have 45 Colt and other large rounds.
2) I can shoot them at indoor ranges. Many ranges don’t allow rifle cartridges but do allow any and all hand gun ammo. I love shooting my 44 mag lever gun at the range in the winter.
3) Can’t use pointy nose ammo with lever guns. Most handgun ammo is blunt/ball.
4) Rifle barrel doesn’t care that the pushing is coming from a handgun cartridge. The magnums can pack a nice accurate punch from 20” rifle barrel. Many people use these for hunting.
5) I also have a .22’s in long and hand guns. Common low cost ammo!! Big rifle ammo is just expensive. .38 special I can get for a song.
 
To that earlier question, also keep in mind that a longer barreled rifle will give better performance (higher velocity and muzzle energy) from that handgun cartridge than you'll get out of that same round fired from your average 6" handgun. As the barrel length increases, the muzzle velocity will increase, up to a point. For popular handgun cartridges max muzzle velocity will usually peak at somewhere in the 15" ~ 18" range, then it will start to fall again. For some handgun rounds you can get about double the muzzle velocity out of a carbine as opposed to a handgun, which corresponds to 4x the muzzle energy.

Also, you will of course be more accurate with a carbine as compared to a handgun for the same round.

So, for a light/medium carbines handgun rounds can make good sense, and as an earlier poster noted, they do offer the potential to standardize on one round for both applications.
 
I can't find the data. But, I have a 9mm carbine(16" barrel) and a .357 4" revolver. The energy/velocity were almost identical.

I could only imagine the improvements to the ballistics of stronger rounds like a 357/10mm/40sw/44mag... in a rifle compared to a pistol. Is good to have a common round for pistol/rifle too!

Concerning Rossi, if they sell everything they make, they'll stay in business even when being run by the clueless.
Many manufacturers are clueless until their inventory piles up.
They're either too busy for their staff size or too busy filling big gov't orders. Nothing we can do but wait and wait.
Many manufacturers are overrun with demand.
 
Originally Posted By: PRND3L
I call Bad Stuff on that. No handguns issued in WWII fired the .30 carbine. The AMT Automag III came much later.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMT_AutoMag_III

The theory is correct though, and is more applicable to cowboy shooting IMO. You have the carbine and the pistol and only have to carry one caliber.



I wasnt trying to say that the .30 was an existing pistol cartridge used for the M1 carbine. It was the first cartridge that came to mind that was chambered for both a rifle and pistol, different time periods or not.
 
10-4 yaris, my misunderstanding.
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There is a lot to do with the type of power that is used. Magnum cartridges use slower burning powders and can really take advantage of the longer barrels on rifles/carbines.

Cartridges made for shorter barrels (faster powder) have less of an advantage.

I read an article about pistol caliber rifles awhile back and all but the .45ACP gained some velocity. Some .45ACP ammo was actually slower out of a Marlin carbine than out of a 5" Government model. I believe it was mostly the heavier bullets that did this.
 
Whats the effective range or moa of these light/medium carbines with the .357/.44 mag rds?
 
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