What is the highest QUALITY Mobil 1 30 weight ?

[joflewbyu2]

Also found this:
The companion Mobil 1 Extended Performance viscosity grades have not been formally approved against GM 4718M but will provide the performance at GM 4718M level. Engine testing required to get formal approval is limited to certain Mobil 1 products only.

 

[Gary Allan]

What is the highest QUALITY Mobil 1 30 weight ?


Mobil 1 0w-40. It's just not a 30 grade until your engine processes it. Some engines (very few) aren't properly equipped to complete the final, "in use", process element. The vast majority are.

 

[Drew99GT]

If the data sheet specs are to be believed, Mobil 1 High Mileage 10w30 might be one of the best oils you can buy, period!

 

[ARCOgraphite]

Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
Originally Posted By: ARCOgraphite
Group III is fine for most, but if your going to get a syn, might as well be a long life with a top formulation, which is what the OP was looking for. For some unk reason he thinks PAO is the magic bullet that its not. In my past usage of such, grpV majority based oils perform MUCH better on the road than the group-IIIs by not a small margin.


But since you have not had a engine last past 45k in the last 10 years how are you coming up with this data?

Just wondering as most of us here consider 45k barely broken in...

Bill
Data? Who uses data here Perform on the road = best fuel milage, low engine startup and running noise, the ability to rev to redline smoothly, and consistent performance day after day without my RC tensioner sticking. All subjective ( except milage calc) but very important to me.

 

[Captain_Klink]

the higher groups - 4, and 5, have less tenacity. higher tenacity is from group 2 and 3, and since that equals greater film strength and better protection, i stay away from Mobil 1 altogether.
Just use a proper oil that everyone here KNOWS works well, with many many exceptional UOA, like Pennzoil Platinum, 5w30. if you drive mainly long highway miles, you may also opt for Pennzoil Platinum 10w30. for that matter, even the lowly SuperTech synthetic 5w30 gives stellar UOA, even with 10,000 mile OCI. I don't even know why anyone is asking about Mobil 1 - strictly bragging rights as far as I can tell.

 

[tig1]

I've been using various M1 30 wt. oils for 31 years and I can say I haven't noticed any real difference with any of them all this time. I'm using The EP line now, but any of them will give you very clean and long lived engines.

 

[Ben99GT]

Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
the higher groups - 4, and 5, have less tenacity. higher tenacity is from group 2 and 3, and since that equals greater film strength and better protection, i stay away from Mobil 1 altogether.


POE (Group V) has the highest tenacity of all.

 

[Art_Vandelay]

Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: Art_Vandelay
I would guess the 0w30 that Mobil discontinued was probably their highest quality 30 weight. Seemed more like a cousin to their 0W-40. The Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy 0w30 (currently selling) does not have as low a pour point. Was it labeled as a European Formula I can't remember?

If you pour German Castrol into an empty Mobil 1 bottle you will have Mobil 1's highest quality 30 weight.


Art:

I have not bothered to compare the pour points myself, but that said, there is a statement on the Mobil site to the effect that the "old" Mobil 1 0w30 is the same product that's now sold under the green cap. Here is the "blocked and copied" text from the Mobil web site:

Originally Posted By: Mobil's site
Haven’t you been offering Mobil 1 0W-20 and Mobil 1 0w30 already? What’s different about Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy?
They are the same formulations as the products marketed prior to 2008. As the importance of fuel economy has increased, we felt it was important to communicate to consumers which products in the Mobil 1 family offer the greatest potential for improved fuel economy. Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy oils are engineered to deliver outstanding engine protection while improving fuel economy.


You can see the actual text for yourself at the Mobil website, click here.


ekpolk,

Here is the old formula's MSDS with a -54C pour point:

http://www.hrpworld.com/client_images/ecommerce/client_39/products/pdf_2850_3.pdf

It was ACEA A1,A5,B1,B5 back then. AFE is just A1, B1. I know this is the 2001 formula but this formula made it through at least one other incarnation I just can't find the MSDS. It carried the Corvette spec too.

 

[aquariuscsm]

Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
higher tenacity is from group 2 and 3,


^^I wonder if this is why some synthetic users report more startup valvetrain noise?

 

[pzev]

10w-30 High Mileage is perhaps the most "stout" M1 in 30 weight. They make a 5w30 High Mileage too, but I can't locate the product specs on that.

 

[tig1]

Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
higher tenacity is from group 2 and 3,


^^I wonder if this is why some synthetic users report more startup valvetrain noise?


What start up noise?

 

[lexus114]

Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
higher tenacity is from group 2 and 3,


^^I wonder if this is why some synthetic users report more startup valvetrain noise?


What start up noise?


Yeah,what he said??

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: lexus114
Originally Posted By: tig1
Originally Posted By: aquariuscsm
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
higher tenacity is from group 2 and 3,


^^I wonder if this is why some synthetic users report more startup valvetrain noise?


What start up noise?


Yeah,what he said??


Yeah, what he said too

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
the higher groups - 4, and 5, have less tenacity. higher tenacity is from group 2 and 3, and since that equals greater film strength and better protection, i stay away from Mobil 1 altogether.
Just use a proper oil that everyone here KNOWS works well, with many many exceptional UOA, like Pennzoil Platinum, 5w30. if you drive mainly long highway miles, you may also opt for Pennzoil Platinum 10w30. for that matter, even the lowly SuperTech synthetic 5w30 gives stellar UOA, even with 10,000 mile OCI. I don't even know why anyone is asking about Mobil 1 - strictly bragging rights as far as I can tell.


1. Group V (POE) has the highest polarity.

2. used oil analysis tell you nothing more than oil LIFE for the most part. Drawing wild conclusions from single-digit discrepancies in Pennzoil PlatinumM values is nothing more than an exercise in futility.

3. Mobil 1 is the factory fill for a huge list of high performance cars. I'm sure Mercedes, Porsche, GM...etc are all doing this just for "bragging rights" for the consumer......

 

[chevrofreak]

Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
the higher groups - 4, and 5, have less tenacity. higher tenacity is from group 2 and 3, and since that equals greater film strength and better protection, i stay away from Mobil 1 altogether.
Just use a proper oil that everyone here KNOWS works well, with many many exceptional UOA, like Pennzoil Platinum, 5w30. if you drive mainly long highway miles, you may also opt for Pennzoil Platinum 10w30. for that matter, even the lowly SuperTech synthetic 5w30 gives stellar UOA, even with 10,000 mile OCI. I don't even know why anyone is asking about Mobil 1 - strictly bragging rights as far as I can tell.


1. Group V (POE) has the highest polarity.

2. used oil analysis tell you nothing more than oil LIFE for the most part. Drawing wild conclusions from single-digit discrepancies in Pennzoil PlatinumM values is nothing more than an exercise in futility.

3. Mobil 1 is the factory fill for a huge list of high performance cars. I'm sure Mercedes, Porsche, GM...etc are all doing this just for "bragging rights" for the consumer......


Think about it though. Who would be impressed by Pennzoil Platinum being factory fill? I mean, besides BITOGer's.

Everyone has heard of Mobil 1 and seen them sponsor cars/drivers and their advertisements in magazines and on TV. That alone is what drives most people to pick Mobil 1 over anything else.

 

[tig1]

Not me.I used M1 when M1 wasn't cool.

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: chevrofreak
Originally Posted By: OVERK1LL
Originally Posted By: Captain_Klink
the higher groups - 4, and 5, have less tenacity. higher tenacity is from group 2 and 3, and since that equals greater film strength and better protection, i stay away from Mobil 1 altogether.
Just use a proper oil that everyone here KNOWS works well, with many many exceptional UOA, like Pennzoil Platinum, 5w30. if you drive mainly long highway miles, you may also opt for Pennzoil Platinum 10w30. for that matter, even the lowly SuperTech synthetic 5w30 gives stellar UOA, even with 10,000 mile OCI. I don't even know why anyone is asking about Mobil 1 - strictly bragging rights as far as I can tell.


1. Group V (POE) has the highest polarity.

2. used oil analysis tell you nothing more than oil LIFE for the most part. Drawing wild conclusions from single-digit discrepancies in Pennzoil PlatinumM values is nothing more than an exercise in futility.

3. Mobil 1 is the factory fill for a huge list of high performance cars. I'm sure Mercedes, Porsche, GM...etc are all doing this just for "bragging rights" for the consumer......


Think about it though. Who would be impressed by Pennzoil Platinum being factory fill? I mean, besides BITOGer's.

Everyone has heard of Mobil 1 and seen them sponsor cars/drivers and their advertisements in magazines and on TV. That alone is what drives most people to pick Mobil 1 over anything else.


Probably the same people who are impressed with M1 being the factory fill. Pretty basic brand-association...... When a CLK-GTR comes with M1 in the sump, I'm sure a lot of people take note.

If the Saleen S7 came with Pennzoil Platinum in it, there would be an immediate "quality" recognition with many consumers, just like the above example with M1.

 

[Ben99GT]

I do believe that the OEM's decision to use M1 in their "premium" offerings has quite a bit to do with cashing in on M1's brand equity. The fact that M1 happens to be a quality product is just icing on the cake.

When it boils right down to it, no one has a more widely recognized or respected name in synthetic oils than M1. Almost everyone has heard of Mobil 1 and associates the name with "premium" motor oils.

 

[Captain_Klink]

Mobil 1 USED TO BE premium, but now it's just watered down usual cheap "synthetic" with the same marketing hype to guarantee huge bonus for CEO. Remember: The Corporation is under NO OBLIGATION to you the consumer, the OBLIGATION of the corporation is to deliver MAXIMUM PROFIT to the shareholder. I basically changed my mind about my favorable impression of Mobil after reading here for a while. also check the Mitsu forum, with published Blackstone. The Shell Rotella T was better than Mobil, with almost THREE TIMES the mileage!!! I had 4 jugs of AFE 0w30Mobil 1 in my stash, which I returned to Walmart, for some RELIABLE and CHEAP MC5w20 and ST5w30 (Semi Synthetic MC, Full Synthetic ST)
http://www.3si.org/forum/f1/mobil-1-blackstone-analysis-you-might-want-see-450024/

 

[tig1]

Wait till my son hears this news you discovered. He may have to stop using Mobil 1 oil in his 330,000 mile Ranger all on Mobil 1 at 10-15,000 mile OCIs.