Its pretty normal for them
What is the best VW 504/507 oil?
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Thats a good price, the Castrol edge 5w-30 LL(4L) in Finland cost 39,90€. And Mobil 1 5w-30 esp(4L) is 31,90€
I don't think so, it's been priced that way for quite a while, like over a year maybe more IIRC.
Thanks. Haven't had occasion to look for any VW approvals until now, so didn't know that.
I still think it's quite curious that there's such a large price discrepancy among brands that generally try _hard_ to be in the same price range. If 504 / 507 is more than lipstick, it seems that a couple of the common brands out there are way over-priced.
I still think it's quite curious that there's such a large price discrepancy among brands that generally try _hard_ to be in the same price range. If 504 / 507 is more than lipstick, it seems that a couple of the common brands out there are way over-priced.
Nothing Mannol is majority PAO/Ester. It's just group 2/3 with a tiny drop of group 4
and 5 at best. There are spectral analyses available revealing Mannol Legend is fake.
Wasn't this topic about "the best VW 504/507 oil"?
and 5 at best. There are spectral analyses available revealing Mannol Legend is fake.
Wasn't this topic about "the best VW 504/507 oil"?
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Proof or your comment is libel...
Proof it's group 4/5. 
I'm not going to do your homework, in particular for an oil that isn't even worth the effort.
I'm not going to do your homework, in particular for an oil that isn't even worth the effort.
Your comment is just unsubstantiated hearsay to be fair.PROVE? it's group 4/5.
I'm not going to do your homework, in particular for an oil that isn't even worth the effort.
MANNOL Longlife 504/507
www.mannol.de
It's a Bi synthetic formulation containing PAO and Esters, I'm no mathematician but when you subtract the ester you're only left with the pao in a bi-syn formulation.
Your citation is incorrect. Since it's my own typo, you may not alter it.
Advertising isn't proof. Mannol is cheap because it's made cheaply. Get
what you're most happy with, but stop repeating false marketing claims.
Advertising isn't proof. Mannol is cheap because it's made cheaply. Get
what you're most happy with, but stop repeating false marketing claims.
It says “Ester components together with the bi-synthetic base” which means esters are added to a bi-synthetic base, not that the ester is one of the “bi” components. This description could be used for any Group III/Group IV base stock that has at least some ester such as many ExxonMobil products.
Hmm so is there even any Group IV base stock at all?
You tell me, not too sure how to read these pdf or how really truthful they are, but I'd be inclined to say no.
Castrol edge 5w-30 LL. $24.04 as of right now shipped by walmart. 504/507 no need to spend more.
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It says...
"Innovative universal premium bi-synthetic engine oil (PAO + esters)"
as well.
Who knows. I've emailed the company to clarify it.
Hmm, that MSDS is alarming but could possibly be for an older formulation? There's 10% ester but I can't see pao/polydecene anywhere. There are false advertising laws, why would they bother taking the risk?
Perhaps this discussion deserves a separate thread. Despite that, two examples:
Mannol Energy Combi LL 7907, advertised as "bisynthetic PAO + Ester":
www.mannol.de
oil-club.de
oil-club.de
>> group 2 & 3 with a tiny drop of POE
MSDS says "phenol, dodecyl - 0.02–0.17%" and "2,6-di-tert-butylphenol - 0.1–0.3%",
nothing you'd get excited about......
Mannol O.E.M. 7707 5W-30, says "fully synthetic" or "premium synthese" on the bottle:
www.mannol.de
oil-club.de
oil-club.de
Pourpoint -42°C; Noack of 12.8 % doesn't even meet many/most current approvals,
again likely group 2 & 3 with the tiniest of a drop of POE. MSDS doesn't help much,
but at least says: "p-dodecilphenol - 0.06–0.13%". Not surprising at all.
I know these aren't 'Legend 0W-30' and 'Longlife 5W-30', but they're advertized the
same or very similarly at least and I'd have a hard time believing Mannol's claim to
be more true on LL and Legend.
Feel free to do your own google search. I'd suggest looking into the Russion oil club
forum. There's plenty of virgin oil analysises and they aren't even that hard to read.
.
Mannol Energy Combi LL 7907, advertised as "bisynthetic PAO + Ester":
Energy Combi LL
www.mannol.de
https://sct-online.sct-germany.de/SCTApprovalControl/module/msdsImport/msds_upload_tmp/MN7907_EN.pdf
Mannol Energy Combi LL 5W-30 - Ölanalysen und Ölanalytik für Motor und Getriebe
Hier eine FÖA von Mannol Energy Combi LL 5W-30 Abfülldatum 11.04.2018 Wurde Hier [URL:https://www.motor-oel-guenstig.de/sonderangebote/13079/sparangebot-5-liter-mannol-5w-30-combi-ll-davon-1-liter-gratis] gekauft Kann einer bitte eine Bewertung von dem…
oil-club.de
MANNOL Energy Combi LL 5W-30 - Ölanalysen und Ölanalytik für Motor und Getriebe
Frischölanalyse: Mannol Energy Combi LL 5W-30 [URL:https://oil-club.de/index.php?thread/4334-mannol-energy-combi-ll-5w-30/]
oil-club.de
>> group 2 & 3 with a tiny drop of POE
MSDS says "phenol, dodecyl - 0.02–0.17%" and "2,6-di-tert-butylphenol - 0.1–0.3%",
nothing you'd get excited about......
Mannol O.E.M. 7707 5W-30, says "fully synthetic" or "premium synthese" on the bottle:
MANNOL O.E.M.
www.mannol.de
https://sct-online.sct-germany.de/SCTApprovalControl/module/msdsImport/msds_upload_tmp/MN7707_EN.pdf
Mannol O.E.M. 7707 5W-30 - Ölanalysen und Ölanalytik für Motor und Getriebe
Anbei die Frischölanalyse des recht preiswerten Mannol 5W-30 mit bestem Dank an @Eule88 [URL:https://oil-club.de/index.php?user/477-eule88/] für die Co-Finanzierung Meinungsaustausch…
oil-club.de
MANNOL 7707 O.E.M. 5W-30 - Ölanalysen und Ölanalytik für Motor und Getriebe
Frischölanalyse: Mannol O.E.M. 7707 5W-30 [URL:https://oil-club.de/index.php?thread/5663-mannol-o-e-m-7707-5w-30/]
oil-club.de
Pourpoint -42°C; Noack of 12.8 % doesn't even meet many/most current approvals,
again likely group 2 & 3 with the tiniest of a drop of POE. MSDS doesn't help much,
but at least says: "p-dodecilphenol - 0.06–0.13%". Not surprising at all.
I know these aren't 'Legend 0W-30' and 'Longlife 5W-30', but they're advertized the
same or very similarly at least and I'd have a hard time believing Mannol's claim to
be more true on LL and Legend.
Feel free to do your own google search. I'd suggest looking into the Russion oil club
forum. There's plenty of virgin oil analysises and they aren't even that hard to read.
.
Mannol is not available on Russian oil club.Perhaps this discussion deserves a separate thread. Despite that, two examples:
Mannol Energy Combi LL 7907, advertised as "bisynthetic PAO + Ester":
Energy Combi LL
https://sct-online.sct-germany.de/SCTApprovalControl/module/msdsImport/msds_upload_tmp/MN7907_EN.pdf
Mannol Energy Combi LL 5W-30 - Ölanalysen und Ölanalytik für Motor und Getriebe
Hier eine FÖA von Mannol Energy Combi LL 5W-30 Abfülldatum 11.04.2018 Wurde Hier [URL:https://www.motor-oel-guenstig.de/sonderangebote/13079/sparangebot-5-liter-mannol-5w-30-combi-ll-davon-1-liter-gratis] gekauft Kann einer bitte eine Bewertung von dem…
MANNOL Energy Combi LL 5W-30 - Ölanalysen und Ölanalytik für Motor und Getriebe
Frischölanalyse: Mannol Energy Combi LL 5W-30 [URL:https://oil-club.de/index.php?thread/4334-mannol-energy-combi-ll-5w-30/]
>> group 2 & 3 with a tiny drop of POE
MSDS says "phenol, dodecyl - 0.02–0.17%" and "2,6-di-tert-butylphenol - 0.1–0.3%",
nothing you'd get excited about......
Mannol O.E.M. 7707 5W-30, says "fully synthetic" or "premium synthese" on the bottle:
MANNOL O.E.M.
https://sct-online.sct-germany.de/SCTApprovalControl/module/msdsImport/msds_upload_tmp/MN7707_EN.pdf
Mannol O.E.M. 7707 5W-30 - Ölanalysen und Ölanalytik für Motor und Getriebe
Anbei die Frischölanalyse des recht preiswerten Mannol 5W-30 mit bestem Dank an @Eule88 [URL:https://oil-club.de/index.php?user/477-eule88/] für die Co-Finanzierung Meinungsaustausch…
MANNOL 7707 O.E.M. 5W-30 - Ölanalysen und Ölanalytik für Motor und Getriebe
Frischölanalyse: Mannol O.E.M. 7707 5W-30 [URL:https://oil-club.de/index.php?thread/5663-mannol-o-e-m-7707-5w-30/]
Pourpoint -42°C; Noack of 12.8 % doesn't even meet many/most current approvals,
again likely group 2 & 3 with the tiniest of a drop of POE. MSDS doesn't help much,
but at least says: "p-dodecilphenol - 0.06–0.13%". Not surprising at all.
I know these aren't 'Legend 0W-30' and 'Longlife 5W-30', but they're advertized the
same or very similarly at least and I'd have a hard time believing Mannol's claim to
be more true on LL and Legend.
Feel free to do your own google search. I'd suggest looking into the Russion oil club
forum. There's plenty of virgin oil analysises and they aren't even that hard to read.
.
Mannol is cheap oil. It was always cheap oil. When I worked on these things it was an afterthought of an oil. From those days in Germany, Aral had a pretty good reputation.
Everything I have seen on Mannol website indicates a lot of chest pumping and nothing to back up. They do not post any performance numbers.
Also, pour point -42? Yeah, Group III all the way. Maybe some POE addition to bump some performance numbers, but that is it. But that is a problem, not something to brag. That means that Mannol cannot achieve the results they want without POE. They are trying to make cheap oil, they would gladly use Group III like Castrol, but they cannot achieve what they want without POE. Which begs the question about overall performance of oil. Noack of 12.8% indicates that.
Ravenol VMP (full sint - PAO). (Ravenol SMP is not)
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