What is "real music"

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl

Do you think the "Pumped up Kicks" song by Foster the People contributed to school shootings? I think the song is garbage, but I don't think it flipped a switch in someone that wasn't already flipped.


Contributed? No, but I think the song is an abomination. It's like freakin' serial killer carnie music, I absolutely HATE that song!


Agree on that.

It is an example of how pop/rock can be just as perverse, violent, and sickening as any rap.


Yes, and was disturbingly popular too. I was amazed it was allowed to be played on the radio quite frankly.

 

[Spazdog]

It was weird to me. It's so upbeat and happily whistled. Like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold wrote a Hansen or Bieber song.

"....You better run, better run, faster than my bullet.
MmmmmBop, baby baby baby, mmmmbob."

 

[01rangerxl]

Did "Foster the People" even have any other hits? Not that having chart topping songs really matters, but it almost seems like a publicity stunt. The really troubling thing is it worked.

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: Nick R
Also, something just occured to me. I think about 2 of you actually watched it. How do I know? Because there are real people there playing the drums and guitar, and keyboard Hmmm, I think THEY are real, don't you?


I did click on it, but I admit I didn't last long. Just not my flavor of music.

But considering how much music has been digitally altered over the last three decades +, who's to draw the line? If you like listening to it, it's music. Everyone's definition is different.

This one's for OVERKILL..."we on a [censored] mission, Expeditions, Navigators, that's how we be ridin', alligator suitcases"

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: Spazdog
It was weird to me. It's so upbeat and happily whistled. Like Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold wrote a Hansen or Bieber song.

"....You better run, better run, faster than my bullet.
MmmmmBop, baby baby baby, mmmmbob."


That's what made it creepy and why I likened it to serial killer carnie music.

 

[OVERKILL]

Ranger, you KNOW I won't be clicking the "play" button on that video

 

[Autobahn88]

Originally Posted By: Nick R
Also, something just occured to me. I think about 2 of you actually watched it. How do I know? Because there are real people there playing the drums and guitar, and keyboard Hmmm, I think THEY are real, don't you?


Now c'mon Nick. You may have real muscians playing in the background but it all still comes down to the fact that the audience are there to see a hologram sing the songs. That is still fake. Not human, no emotion etc. So is virtual sex real also? Don't get me wrong, technology is great, but sometimes we go too far. When people think computer animation is real, we have a problem.

 

[joaks]

What about all the people who went to the theature to watch Avatar? Not real either.

 

[Nick R]

So, interstingly saw this today and had to laugh. He's so awkward delivering on the script. It's hilarious. Though I do find it possibly cool, turning pizza box into stage on a phone. Sadly however it is apparently a Japan only promotion and app, even if it's from the Domino's US VP lol.
Dominos Pizza VP and Hatsune Miku app.
http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/interest...rces-on-new-app

The Domino's Pizza chain and virtual idol Hatsune Miku have joined forces on a new campaign, headlined by a Hatsune Miku x Domino's iOS app. In the campaign video, Domino's vice president Scott Hinshaw details (in English) how Domino's staff created songs for the app and its camera features.

Domino's staff designed the songs and Miku's appearance for the application. Original songs include "Fushigi Sekai," "SOON!", "Yum-Yum Pizza!", and "Saikō Driver M."

The app allows users to order pizza, take pictures with Hatsune Miku, and transform their pizza box into a digital stage. Domino's will deliver pizza in Hatsune Miku boxes through May 12 to users who order through the app.

Other crossover merchandise includes a motorized delivery bike and this month's Blu-ray Disc release of the "Angel Project Presents Hatsune Appearance" concert. (The app and the bike both use the Hatsune Miku 3D models that modeler "Mamama" created for the concert.)

 

[greenjp]

Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
...No different than Elvis, the Beetles, The Moody Blues....etc. sex, drugs and alcohol have always been a part of Rock music.

There's a big difference however between those things and the devaluation of human life, the dispatching of others with firearms, the glamorization of money and the objectification of women, all of which are part of the thug/gansta rap "movement".

One is far more "severe" than the other. When Axel Rose was po'd at James Hetfield for stealing the show in Montreal (which resulted in a riot, but anyway) he didn't gather his cronies and give 'ol James a drive-by. But that's exactly how Tupac, "Biggy Smalls" and other rap stars have been "dispatched".

There's a video on Youtube of Danzig getting knocked-the-f-out for running his mouth. Had he been a rapper, he'd probably have been shot. THAT is the difference!

Some or all of this may be true (though on the rock side we've got more than our fair share of overdoses and suicides - Jimmy, Kurt Cobain, Layne Staley, etc, so the "drugs" part of the triad is certainly questionable), I think the content of so-called "gansta" rap is a reflection of the culture, rather than culture being a reflection of it. That there are wannabes who latch on to it is also true (of most genres I imagine) but you can't blame the music for that. I'm 35 and spent my youth listening to the standard 80's glam rock, metal, "grunge" when the 90s came around, and I'm not a drug users, excessive partier, anti-authority, etc.

jeff

 

[OVERKILL]

Originally Posted By: greenjp
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
...No different than Elvis, the Beetles, The Moody Blues....etc. sex, drugs and alcohol have always been a part of Rock music.

There's a big difference however between those things and the devaluation of human life, the dispatching of others with firearms, the glamorization of money and the objectification of women, all of which are part of the thug/gansta rap "movement".

One is far more "severe" than the other. When Axel Rose was po'd at James Hetfield for stealing the show in Montreal (which resulted in a riot, but anyway) he didn't gather his cronies and give 'ol James a drive-by. But that's exactly how Tupac, "Biggy Smalls" and other rap stars have been "dispatched".

There's a video on Youtube of Danzig getting knocked-the-f-out for running his mouth. Had he been a rapper, he'd probably have been shot. THAT is the difference!

Some or all of this may be true (though on the rock side we've got more than our fair share of overdoses and suicides - Jimmy, Kurt Cobain, Layne Staley, etc, so the "drugs" part of the triad is certainly questionable), I think the content of so-called "gansta" rap is a reflection of the culture, rather than culture being a reflection of it. That there are wannabes who latch on to it is also true (of most genres I imagine) but you can't blame the music for that. I'm 35 and spent my youth listening to the standard 80's glam rock, metal, "grunge" when the 90s came around, and I'm not a drug users, excessive partier, anti-authority, etc.

jeff


Nor would I expect you to be. In order to live the rock-star lifestyle, you'd likely have to aspire to be a rock star. Whilst the "thug life" is, as you've noted, a "culture" so to speak. It being idolized is completely different. Most "thugs" aren't rappers, but most rappers are thugs. If you see what I mean.

And while there have certainly been deaths related to the rock-star lifestyle (Janice Joplin, Bon Scott, Hendrix...etc) and factoring in the suicides, these are people taking out themselves, not others.

 

[P20565R16]

Is anyone familiar with The 27 Club?

Dead at 27

There are now six members of the "official" 27 Club. With the exception of Kurt Cobain, who shot himself under the influence of heroin, all their deaths are all reckoned to be directly drug-induced; overdoses and choking, for examples. Details tend to be a little sketchy, with few witnesses, contradictory accounts, and inevitably some conspiracy theories claiming alternative explanations.

Brian Jones (1969): Multi-instrumentalist of the Rolling Stones, until forced out of the group due to not being able to handle his drugs. The coroner's verdict was famously listed as "misadventure" from drowning in a swimming pool; foul play has long been alleged.[2]
Jimi Hendrix (1970): Choked on his own vomit,[3] due to alcohol and drugs.
Janis Joplin (1970): Synergistic effect of combining heroin and alcohol.
Jim Morrison (1971): Heart failure in the bath, caused by heroin according to most accounts, but no autopsy to confirm this.
Kurt Cobain (1994): Shotgun to the head following a heroin binge (conspiracy theories have sprung up to say he was killed by Courtney Love).
Amy Winehouse (2011): Found dead in her flat. Cause of death appears to be excessive alcohol.[4]

This main group of musicians who are considered part of the official club have also produced the "white lighter" superstition, based on the rumor that Hendrix, Morrison, Joplin and Cobain all had a white lighter on their person when they died.

Wikipedia lists 36 others who are part of the "unofficial" 27 club;[5] many of these members date from long before the official club started in the 60s and 70s. This list includes early blues musician Robert Johnson (1911-1938), who is possibly the most famous and influential outside the "official" 6 mentioned above. One of the 36 in Wikipedia's list, Jean-Michel Basquiat, was only incidentally a musician and nobody has ever heard of him.

Although a death toll of 41 looks like a relatively high number, in context the Wikipedia category "American rock musicians by instrument" lists 3,759 articles,[6] and similarly "American blues musicians by instrument" has 1,078.[7] So, 41 out of 4,837 gives us 1 in... quite a lot.

One doesn't have to be much of a statistician to see that that's looking like a pretty safe age to be twanging a 6-string or beltin' out the ballads.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/27_Club

 

[Spazdog]

getting past 27 is no guarantee.

John Bonham and Bon Scott died at 32 and 33. Ronnie VanZant didn't quite make 30, but he made it past 27.

Randy Rhoads did not make it to 27. Neither did Sid Vicious

 

[P20565R16]

Originally Posted By: Spazdog
getting past 27 is no guarantee.

John Bonham and Bon Scott died at 32 and 33. Ronnie VanZant didn't quite make 30, but he made it past 27.

Randy Rhoads did not make it to 27. Neither did Sid Vicious


Yes, I learned in reading that 27 was a general and broad brush.

Joe Ramone, how old was he?

 

[Shannow]

Originally Posted By: Nick R
Also, something just occured to me. I think about 2 of you actually watched it. How do I know? Because there are real people there playing the drums and guitar, and keyboard Hmmm, I think THEY are real, don't you?


What a condescending post...

I watched it, and it was rubbish..2 minutes and 53 seconds that I can honestly say that I wasted of my life.

speaking of drums, and real...

 

[01rangerxl]

Originally Posted By: Autobahn88
Now to elaborate more on Overkill's statement. Alot of Raps lyrics do promote violence twards others and women. Here is a classic case of lyrics by 2pac, who many think he is such a great artist.

Warning, These lyrics are not for everyone so if you are easily offended do not read.

http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/2pac/hitemup.html


Birmingham actually has a radio station dedicated to "classic rap and hip hop," and they played a 2Pac song yesterday that reminded me of this thread.

This is a 2Pac song with substance...
"Brenda's Got A Baby"

Brenda's got a Baby
Brenda's got a Baby

I hear Brenda's got a baby
But, Brenda's barely got a brain
A [censored] shame
The girl can hardly spell her name
(That's not our problem, that's up to Brenda's family)
Well let me show ya how it affects the whole community
Now Brenda really never knew her moms and her dad was a
junky
Went in death to his arms, it's sad
Cause I bet Brenda doesn't even know
Just cause your in the ghetto doesn't mean ya can't grow
But oh, that's a thought, my own revelation
Do whatever it takes to resist the temptation
Brenda got herself a boyfriend
Her boyfriend was her cousin, now lets watch the joy end
She tried to hide her pregnancy, from her family
Who didn't really care to see, or give a [censored] if she
Went out and had a church of kids
As long as when the check came they got first dibs
Now Brenda's belly is gettin bigger
But no one seems to notice any change in her figure
She's 12 years old and she's having a baby
In love with the molester, who's sexing her crazy
And yet she thinks that he'll be with her forever
And dreams of a world with the two of them are together,
whatever
He left her and she had the baby solo, she had it on the
bathroom floor
And didn't know so, she didn't know, what to throw away and
what to keep
She wrapped the baby up and threw him in the trash heep
I guess she thought she'd get away
Wouldn't hear the cries
She didn't realize
How much the the little baby had her eyes
Now the baby's in the trash heep balling
Momma can't help her, but it hurts to hear her calling
Brenda wants to run away
Momma say, you makin' me lose pay, the social workers here
everyday
Now Brenda's gotta make her own way
Can't go to her family, they won't let her stay
No money no babysitter, she couldn't keep a job
She tried to sell crack, but end up getting robbed
So now what's next, there ain't nothing left to sell
So she sees sex as a way of leaving [censored]
It's paying the rent, so she really can't complain
Prostitute, found slain, and Brenda's her name, she's got a baby

Baby

(don't you know she's got a baby)
(don't you know she's got a baby)
(don't you know she's got a baby)
(don't you know she's got a baby)
(don't you know she's got a baby)
(don't you know she's got a baby)

The video is on YouTube. The censored language is mild.

Rap is a world of extremes.

 

[uc50ic4more]

Originally Posted By: 01rangerxl

Rap is a world of extremes.


So is the world it comes from.

 

[The_Eric]

None for me, thanks.

There's nothing that I saw in the video from the o/p that an actual human couldn't do better.

When I go to a concert, I go to watch the musicians perform, not watch the byproduct of a production and animation team. It's truly awesome to watch them do their thing, watching them adapt to others' mistakes, technical difficulties and audience input. I really love the dynamics of a tight band...

Makes me even more anxious to see BB King in May....