what happened with the used/new camry lemon thread

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Originally Posted By: KrisZ
Just reading this thread and thinking "what would I do?" if I was in similar predicament, I think LS2JSTS is pretty much the only one in this thread with a voice of reason.

I am very surprised how quickly everyone jumps to defend OP and chastise the dealer.
Personally I think the dealer gave OP reasonable options to fix the problem, but of course the OP is so stubborn in his thinking that he was deliberately lied to that he wants his money back.
I may sound harsh by saying this, but things just don't work this way in used car sales, this is no Walmart.


Thanks, I'm glad you see it that way, you are decidely in the minority though. I'm walking the plank here and all alone on this one...lol

Seriously though, if my tone comes across as harsh, I really am sorry. I sincerely do hope the OP and his father can get some satisfaction from the dealer.
 
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS

Hyundai dealers inspection misses poor repair.

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To me, either the original owner or the original Toyota dealer are culpable here, at least more so than the Hyundai dealer.


as needsducktape mentioned, depends on which type of auction the Hyundai dealer bought the car in, it may or may not have a case against the original Toyota dealer that auction the car off. It could be the Hyundai dealer roll the dice and loss, and if this is the case, they be the one holding the liability instead of pass it on without disclosure.

However the OP would have no business contacting the original toyota dealer because they are not in business directly with each other, so one has to go through the Hyundai dealer and if the Hyundai dealer didn't have written proof that the OP bought the car with existing problem of such, they are somewhat liable.

The offer of finding a replacement identical Camry seems like the most reasonable option. You don't always get a refund but if the exchange is what you originally getting, that's fair. Plus I wouldn't have to go through this Hyundai dealer if anything happen and warranty is in place, and the Hyundai dealer is the only one in town.

Stuff happens in life, I'd take a replacement Camry and just move on.
 
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Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS

Hyundai dealers inspection misses poor repair.

...

To me, either the original owner or the original Toyota dealer are culpable here, at least more so than the Hyundai dealer.


as needsducktape mentioned, depends on which type of auction the Hyundai dealer bought the car in, it may or may not have a case against the original Toyota dealer that auction the car off. It could be the Hyundai dealer roll the dice and loss, and if this is the case, they be the one holding the liability instead of pass it on without disclosure.

However the OP would have no business contacting the original toyota dealer because they are not in business directly with each other, so one has to go through the Hyundai dealer and if the Hyundai dealer didn't have written proof that the OP bought the car with existing problem of such, they are somewhat liable.

The offer of finding a replacement identical Camry seems like the most reasonable option. You don't always get a refund but if the exchange is what you originally getting, that's fair. Plus I wouldn't have to go through this Hyundai dealer if anything happen and warranty is in place, and the Hyundai dealer is the only one in town.

Stuff happens in life, I'd take a replacement Camry and just move on.




That's the plan.
 
Originally Posted By: PandaBear
Originally Posted By: LS2JSTS

Hyundai dealers inspection misses poor repair.

...

To me, either the original owner or the original Toyota dealer are culpable here, at least more so than the Hyundai dealer.


as needsducktape mentioned, depends on which type of auction the Hyundai dealer bought the car in, it may or may not have a case against the original Toyota dealer that auction the car off. It could be the Hyundai dealer roll the dice and loss, and if this is the case, they be the one holding the liability instead of pass it on without disclosure.

However the OP would have no business contacting the original toyota dealer because they are not in business directly with each other, so one has to go through the Hyundai dealer and if the Hyundai dealer didn't have written proof that the OP bought the car with existing problem of such, they are somewhat liable.

The offer of finding a replacement identical Camry seems like the most reasonable option. You don't always get a refund but if the exchange is what you originally getting, that's fair. Plus I wouldn't have to go through this Hyundai dealer if anything happen and warranty is in place, and the Hyundai dealer is the only one in town.

Stuff happens in life, I'd take a replacement Camry and just move on.


Clearly the transaction that brought the Camry to auction is the most murky of the set of facts. We dont know whether it was the original dealer, the original owner or even some unknown third party where the original owner traded the car in then the car got wholesaled at auction. Likewise we have no info about the terms that it was offered under.

The bottom line is that the original Toyota dealer HAD to know about the problem, otherwise they wouldnt have voided the warranty. Since the original dealer KNEW of the problem, it's curious to see that that bit of info dropped from the radar after the sale at auction. I guess the end run question is what did the Hyundai dealer know, and when did he know it.

The OP contacting ANY Toyota dealership BEFORE this sale was finalized would have avoided this entire situation. To suggest he has no business doing so is non sense. Any buyer of a used car with factory warranty still in effect, should at the very least run that VIN at a dealer of that brand in order to verify the warranty is in place. Even if there is no warranty, I always run a used car through the dealer system just to check for prior repairs or possible outstanding recalls/repairs that should be done under warranty. It's simple due dilligence.
 
LS2JSTS,

Do you have any personal involvement in this saga? It is almost inconceivable that a disinterested third party would get so worked up over this.

- Vikas
 
I was thinking the same thing.

It seems like LS2JSTS enjoys rubbing some salt into dja4260's wound.
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I've yet to read from the OP where we know the dealer got the Camry at auction.

The only mention of auction and the selling dealer was they offered to get another Camry at auction.

It's unclear from that if that implies the original Camry came from auction, or if it just means another Camry and they can look for a similar car at auction.

Perhaps it was in the other thread. But it's unclear to me that the Camry in question came from an auction. Maybe I'm missing something. But from what I've read on this thread, it seems that's only an assumption.
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
LS2JSTS,

Do you have any personal involvement in this saga? It is almost inconceivable that a disinterested third party would get so worked up over this.

- Vikas


I'm not "worked" up at all.

What I DO have a problem with and have clearly taken effort to clear up are the common misconceptions that always get posted in threads like this. If a total fallacy is allowed to stand as a statement of fact on this thread or this forum, it cheapens the value of all the information contained here.

When someone says that the lemon law applies to a used car sold under these conditions and in this situation...they are absolutely wrong and it needs to be corrected. To his credit, I believe the OP has already acknowledged that was the wrong term. And I accept that, fair enough.

When someone says that there is a 3 day waiting period or cooling off for a loan to take effect, and you have a right in that time frame to get your money back....they are generally wrong and it needs to be clarified.

When someone says that there is a 3 day cooling off period for a used car sale, and you have the right to back out and get your money back...they are generally wrong and it needs to be clarified.

With regard to all these points as they were brought up by the OP, I have linked and quoted directly from the State Attorney General in question direct rebuttals from their office or from Illinois Legal Aid's website.

As far as this car and this deal in particular...I've made it very clear the Hyundai dealer and the buyer were at fault, they both failed to excersize due dilligence. I'm sorry if some view that as rubbing salt in the wounds, but it isn't meant that way. It is meant to help others avoid the same mistakes.
 
I spent quite a bit of time around auto auctions in the late 90's, early 2000's.

An auction would disclose the information regarding the subject defect if it was made known to them, as it adversely affects the value of the vehicle. The auctions I have been to did no due diligence other than running a CarFax on the consigned vehicles. Issues raised by the CarFax would be announced, but if it didn't show on the CarFax, it was up to the consignor of the vehicle to make the disclosure.

It could be this dealer had knowledge of the defect if it was announced. It could be he was taken as well. Not enough facts are known at this point.

It seems like the type of defect that reasonable diligence would be unlikely to discover.
 
I suspect the three day cooling off period fans were not so much trying to be 100% right, but giving the OP something to consider when searching their local laws... or to serve as a helpful hint to future readers of the thread.

Since we don't know when the car was bought, there could have been minutes remaining. Time was of the essence.
 
Originally Posted By: hate2work


This is too funny
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LS2, give it a rest already
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Are you guys really that "thick"? It's rare that LS2JSTS and I agree on anything, but he is just trying to correct a LOT of misinformation and down right wrong stuff that was being said.

I sympathize with the o/p and his father as much as anyone here. But the facts are what they are. This is the "real world" sometimes you don't get a "do over" no matter who nice a person you may be. But to accuse LS2JSTS of rubbing salt into the o/p wounds is just ridiculous and childish.

I guess the old saying "Don't confuse me with facts - my mind is made up" applies to some of you here. As someone said a few posts ago - it's good to see at least someone has a voice of reason!
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Originally Posted By: oldmaninsc
Originally Posted By: hate2work


This is too funny
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LS2, give it a rest already
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I guess the old saying "Don't confuse me with facts - my mind is made up" applies to some of you here. As someone said a few posts ago - it's good to see at least someone has a voice of reason!
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Please show me where I said LS2 was wrong. I didn't, and in fact I agreed with him.

But by beating his point to death saying the same thing again and again and yet again, it detracts from what he is trying to get across, and makes him look like someone who's trying to be mean spirited, which we know he's not
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Originally Posted By: oldmaninsc
Are you guys really that "thick"? It's rare that LS2JSTS and I agree on anything, but he is just trying to correct a LOT of misinformation and down right wrong stuff that was being said.

I sympathize with the o/p and his father as much as anyone here. But the facts are what they are. This is the "real world" sometimes you don't get a "do over" no matter who nice a person you may be. But to accuse LS2JSTS of rubbing salt into the o/p wounds is just ridiculous and childish.

I guess the old saying "Don't confuse me with facts - my mind is made up" applies to some of you here. As someone said a few posts ago - it's good to see at least someone has a voice of reason!
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+1

After all, those same people that are "thick" are the same ones reading through all 75 posts on this thread as well! Don't see much difference..
 
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