Hey
i bought the 15/50 for track days,
what does people think of this oil?
its the 4100 15/50 "turbosynthetic"
http://www.motul.com/motulbaseuk/gab_fiche1.asp
what grade of oil is this? is this classified as "snake" oil? ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif)
what do you think of Motul 4100?
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I used 4100 10W-40 for dozen of km to flash Honda engine when switching from 300V 10W-40 to 6100 5W-40. Quite strange, but the engine worked really better during this very short interval: very quiet and though being very small with 300V and 6100, vibration on the steering wheel during the iddling dissappeared at all.
Motul calls this semi-synthetic "Technosyntese". I could notice that only the oil designated for German market gives some description: blend of mineral and synthetic oils.
I'd use 300V 10W-40 or 15W-50 for track days if I really wanted to stick to Motul and money was no object. The second choice would either 8100 E-tech 0W-40 or 8100 X-cess 5W-40. They are 100% synthetic. I'd prefer to use 100% synthetic 8100 series over semi-synthetic "Technosyntese" 6100 or 4100 series.
BTW, what kind of car are you driving?
I would try 4100 15W-50 in warm whether if it is available here. As for 6100 15W-50, apparently it's very similar to 4100 and the only difference may be they use group III instead of group II in combination with PAO. Potentially 15W-50 would provide better protection, but many people are satisfied with 4100 quality though it is in 10W-40 grade. I liked how it was working, but I could find the difference when already switched to 6100.
As you are running the car on a track I would go for the full synthetic. Preferably the 300v line, and 40-50 grade.
Whilst the sales blurb sounds good, the 4100 is still just a semi syth like many others. I don't think the 6100 is availabe anymore in Oz. You are better off with a full synth in a turbo.
The Motul oils are not really that expensive. I buy 4 litres of 300v for $72.00. The 8100 E-tech would be abt $80 for 5 ltrs, however I don't see the need for a 0w and I don't really like the 40 point spread.
My son has a highly modded Nissan 180sx running 1.3bar of boost and he runs it hard. He has run the 300v 10-40 and is currently runnning the 5w-30. The 5w-30 is a high 30w, almost a 40 grade. He changes every 4-5000k. He does have an oil cooler, which probably helps.
Subarus , from what I've seen here, like the 40-50 grade oils, but even if driven hard (I think most Wrx's are) are pretty easy on the oil. Check the UOA section, plenty of really good reports.
The main reason for the full synth is that mineral oils have a tendency to coke in the turbo lines. This is more likely given that you do track work, but can happen in normal driving.
For your interest sake have a look at the www.motul.com site and check out the Forum (just under the Motul logo.) Whilst Motul no longer answer quieries there is some interesting reading. Wrx mentioned a few times. Motul also has an OZ site www.motul.com.au.
BTW: Unfortunately Motul is not widely available in the US and hence the lack of first hand knowledge and UOA's from there. There are several Ozzies using it though.
[ January 07, 2004, 08:21 PM: Message edited by: theguru ]
quote:Please read "Potentially 6100 would provide better protection" instead of 15W-50. Sorry.
Originally posted by Primus: I would try 4100 15W-50 in warm whether if it is available here. As for 6100 15W-50, apparently it's very similar to 4100 and the only difference may be they use group III instead of group II in combination with PAO. Potentially 15W-50 would provide better protection, but many people are satisfied with 4100 quality though it is in 10W-40 grade. I liked how it was working, but I could find the difference when already switched to 6100.
Any 6100 available here would probably be old stock. Not listed on www.motul.com.au
quote:6100 5W-40 is moved to higher line and now called 8100 5W-40, but 6100 10W-40 and 15W-50 are still offered: http://www.motul.com/uk/produits/index.html http://www.motulcanada.ca/html/produitsE.html
Originally posted by theguru: Any 6100 available here would probably be old stock. Not listed on www.motul.com.au
It appears the product lineup here is different.
Motul Australia Prduct range
No 6100, but there is a 5100 which I not seen on the shelves.
quote:5100 is for moto. 6100 in 10W-40 and 15W-50 grades are not sold on CIS market too, only 5W-40 that 8100 starting from 2003.
Originally posted by theguru: It appears the product lineup here is different. Motul Australia Prduct range No 6100, but there is a 5100 which I not seen on the shelves.
Spoke to the Aust Distributor and 6100 15w-50 is still being sold (although not on website) and as already quoted the 6100 5w-40 is now the 8100 X-cess. He did suggest that the Australian website was probably the most up-to-date and that the overseas sites may be out of date. It seems to me that are trying to reduce the range of oils.
And getting back on topic. I still think a higher up the range oil would be more suitable than the 4100.
[ January 08, 2004, 11:46 PM: Message edited by: theguru ]
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