Waxing question (again)

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Originally Posted by Trav
Wool pads are 100% not recommended for base/clear. On new paint I wouldn't use any sort of abrasive or solvent cleaner wax. On 3 month old paint I would just use a ultra fine clay bare and a pure non abrasive wax.


You better call the body shop industry then. Wool pads on 8" Dewalt and Makita rotary buffers are an industry icon. Because every car that leaves a body shop with new paint has had abrasives and wool buffers all over it. HOw do you think the paint finish is refined?


Go to 14:30 and watch that segment.

Point is. Larry is the most anal attentive guy and here is the body shop using a wool pad and rotary buffer with body-shop-safe abrasive polishes all over his big $$ Porsche resto. Remember, you have to wet sand any spray paint job to get it 100% flat and remove minor surface imperfections. This wet sanding leaves scratches. These micro fine scratches must be removed and refined. Body shops use wool and rotary buffers as it's fast and effective (but in the hands of a novice, very dangerous.) This finish can then be further refined and clarity added with MF or foam pads on smaller rotary or DA buffers.

The surface is then wiped clean with alcohol solvents (either ethanol or propanol.) No wax or sealants are recommended for a 4-6 week period to ensure all volatiles have flashed off and are no-longer iin the paint matrix

Also remember that ALL waxes and sealants have organic solvents as carriers. This allows the wax / sealant to dissolve in the carrier fluid and then deposit on the painted surface as the solvent flashes off. Water is a poor carrier for waxes and sealants as they do-not dissolve in water That's the whole point of a Wax and Sealant, to not dissolve in water
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The more you know
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JA.
 
Originally Posted by JFAllen
Originally Posted by Trav
Wool pads are 100% not recommended for base/clear. On new paint I wouldn't use any sort of abrasive or solvent cleaner wax. On 3 month old paint I would just use a ultra fine clay bare and a pure non abrasive wax.


You better call the body shop industry then. Wool pads on 8" Dewalt and Makita rotary buffers are an industry icon. Because every car that leaves a body shop with new paint has had abrasives and wool buffers all over it. HOw do you think the paint finish is refined?

JA.


He has more experience and training in body and paint work than you think.
 
Lets see, you posted in the detail and wax section of the forum not the body shop forum. Only a full idiot would advocate using a rotary with a wool bonnet on a forum like this, so I hope that's not what you intended to do.
I have been using rotary buffers for 40 years, the first one had a built in compound reservoir and weighed about 20+lb full, you needed Popeye arms to finish a single panel.

large plastic body electric buffers with wool pads regardless of brand name are no longer the industry icon you claim, their heyday is long gone, sure they were great when they came out because they were half the weight and had variable speeds but today air has pretty much banished them to history.
Some shops still use them for a quick once over with a fine wool or poly/wool bonnet but its more a personal preference (and the fact they still have one around in working order as do I) than a standard.

The wool bonnets come in many grades, unfortunately the most common is the coarse which is used on single stage and I say unfortunately because that's what finds it way on to too many buffers used for clear coat.
A lot of damage was done in dealer reconditioning depts with these, burned edges, bad swirls and damaged molding being the most common on single stage and total burn through on clear coats.

Factory paint has varying degrees of orange peel, some of like BMW done intentionally, this has to be duplicated in the shop when refinishing a panel(s), It is difficult to duplicate it with my Iwata guns so I have to use a SATA , this finish you do not want to sand much or use an aggressive pad or compound unless you want to flatten the whole car.

I suggest you look up the different grades of wool bonnets and their uses, look at paint manufactures data sheets for recommended buffing procedures.
I could go on and on but doing this sort of work and being a mechanic for a living doesn't leave much time for watching you tube videos all day and posting what they said on the forum.
I will start you with this..

https://www.autoremarketing.com/featured-contributor/what-you-don%E2%80%99t-know-about-automotive-paint-finishes-could-be-harmful-your

Yep, the more you know....
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Just to clarify I don't mean all electric buffers have been replaced strictly by air but the old style large and heavy buffer has been replaced with the smaller and lighter electrics and air.
 
Originally Posted by JFAllen
Point is. Larry is the most anal attentive guy and here is the body shop using a wool pad and rotary buffer with body-shop-safe abrasive polishes all over his big $$ Porsche resto.


Here's a video of him prepping a car for sale. The paint finish looks terrible but I guess he was going for a certain look with it. Who knows but it looks awful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUw6pGmBGmo
 
Originally Posted by SatinSilver
Originally Posted by JFAllen
Point is. Larry is the most anal attentive guy and here is the body shop using a wool pad and rotary buffer with body-shop-safe abrasive polishes all over his big $$ Porsche resto.

Here's a video of him prepping a car for sale. The paint finish looks terrible but I guess he was going for a certain look with it. Who knows but it looks awful.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUw6pGmBGmo

It's Plasti-Dip.

Did you watch the video, or were you just trying to discredit him?
 
Originally Posted by paulri
When I had my Civic repainted by Maaco (they use Sherwin Williams paint), they said to wait for 30 days before waxing.


Interior or exterior grade paint? I like semi-gloss over flat paints. Flats look dry and thirsty. Did you get the primer that's mixed into the paint?

slomo
 
Originally Posted by slomo
Interior or exterior grade paint? I like semi-gloss over flat paints. Flats look dry and thirsty. Did you get the primer that's mixed into the paint?

slomo


It was exterior grade. And no the primer was not mixed into the paint.
 
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