Durable & noob-friendly wax/sealant recommendations?

Sounds like a legitimate plan. For my 2023 Rav4 Hybrid purchased new. I have only used Groits 3 in 1 after a good good hand wash about every 3 months -- I give it a coat.
My routine for my other vehicles in signature
1) Good hand wash with Turtle Wax Max Power car wash
2) Orbital buffer once a year -- Groits Complete Compund buff on and off
3) Chemical Guys All In One Polish & Sealent --- buffed on and wool buffer wheel off
4) First Coat of Groits 3 in 1 -- wiped off really well with clean towel
5) 24 hrs later -- 2nd coat of Groits 3 in 1 wiped off really well again with clean towel

Note: Then every 3 months I give them a fresh coat of Groits 3 in 1 and its been working out really well for paint protection/beading affect.
Not bad, but would suggest using wool for compound and da with polishing foam pad for polish. After all that, would suggest an economical ceramic coating, which would be far more durable than the three in one wax product. You could certainly top with that.
 
Thanks, @buster.

Sounds like more thorough prep would be a good idea, but likely worth it in the end.

Look and water behavior aren't super important to me, but self-cleaning is, so I guess I'm going with CanCoat.

Gyeon seems to suggest that using their Q2M Prep after a regular wash would be enough. Do you disagree? Or am I misunderstanding?
Most of the panel preps are good at removing light polishing oils and other contaminants to clean the surface before your LSP. Prep is a good one, but you could use others. Panel preps won't remove existing protection though. Give it a shot and see how it goes.

You could use this too before applying:
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Thanks, @buster.

Sounds like more thorough prep would be a good idea, but likely worth it in the end.

Look and water behavior aren't super important to me, but self-cleaning is, so I guess I'm going with CanCoat.

Gyeon seems to suggest that using their Q2M Prep after a regular wash would be enough. Do you disagree? Or am I misunderstanding?
Buster is right. A really good prep product that you can use with a wet wash is Fireball Wax Off. I have had a lot of success with it and it really removes old sealants and coatings nearly as well as a polishing.
 
Adam's Polishes CS3!
Adam is a super cool guy. I met him when he started his company in a shack in Boulder Colorado. It was he his wife his friend and two little kids. Their detailing supplies and shop now are huge. From employees they moved to Idaho and pop in from time to time. I love their waffle weave towels.
 
No matter what you use it's important to use it often. Even a cheap wax will keep a car looking new. Just stay far behind the big trucks hauling gravel, nothing will protect against a million little rocks hitting the frontend and hood. I know this from experience unfortunately.
 
No matter what you use it's important to use it often. Even a cheap wax will keep a car looking new. Just stay far behind the big trucks hauling gravel, nothing will protect against a million little rocks hitting the frontend and hood. I know this from experience unfortunately.
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Perhaps some topic drift, or feature bloat is occurring here…;)

OP wants something that is easy to use, presumably easy to get, relatively cheap, with durable protection the primary goal, not looks. For a biannual routine that isn't a hobby.

No doubt, prep is key to getting the best results with any coating job, whether paint or some sort of other protective coating, and the manufacturers wouldn't include such recommendations in their instructions, even for easy-to-use products, if that wasn't the case.

Being in the same boat, and having switched to GG 3/1 as my primary product, for the initial process, I've used Adam's Strip Wash (both can be had from Amazon) for prep, clayed the surface, and then the initial coat, +1 a day later as specified, and have no complaints about the results, or the durability, which is even better for a garaged vehicle.

Once that initial hump is cleared, these products are so easy to use, refreshing them is a trivial task, which can result in additional effectiveness.
 
Perhaps some topic drift, or feature bloat is occurring here…;)

OP wants something that is easy to use, presumably easy to get, relatively cheap, with durable protection the primary goal, not looks. For a biannual routine that isn't a hobby.

No doubt, prep is key to getting the best results with any coating job, whether paint or some sort of other protective coating, and the manufacturers wouldn't include such recommendations in their instructions, even for easy-to-use products, if that wasn't the case.

Being in the same boat, and having switched to GG 3/1 as my primary product, for the initial process, I've used Adam's Strip Wash (both can be had from Amazon) for prep, clayed the surface, and then the initial coat, +1 a day later as specified, and have no complaints about the results, or the durability, which is even better for a garaged vehicle.

Once that initial hump is cleared, these products are so easy to use, refreshing them is a trivial task, which can result in additional effectiveness.
Yep – you pretty much nailed what I'm after.

One of the reasons I'm concerned with ease of use is that, the easier it is to do, the more likely it is that I'll do it. Basic human behavioral psychology.

I've found that the process with my previous wax – apply it, let it sit, buff it, quarantine it for a day, etc. – was involved enough that I found myself washing and waxing as few times as I thought I could get away with. That's largely why the routine is biannual. Prior to this thread, ceramic products seemed even worse in that respect.

With something like CanCoat or 3-in-1, it seems like there's still that one initial wash and application that's much more involved – but if that means successive washes and coatings are easier, that seems like a net win.

Thanks! 🍻
 
Yep – you pretty much nailed what I'm after.

One of the reasons I'm concerned with ease of use is that, the easier it is to do, the more likely it is that I'll do it. Basic human behavioral psychology.

I've found that the process with my previous wax – apply it, let it sit, buff it, quarantine it for a day, etc. – was involved enough that I found myself washing and waxing as few times as I thought I could get away with. That's largely why the routine is biannual. Prior to this thread, ceramic products seemed even worse in that respect.

With something like CanCoat or 3-in-1, it seems like there's still that one initial wash and application that's much more involved – but if that means successive washes and coatings are easier, that seems like a net win.

Thanks! 🍻

That's how it played out for me.

I was a Collinite 845 user, because it was durable, and had some decent pop, but the routine of warming the bottle so that it liquefied, application, waiting for it to craze, then buffing it off got tiresome.

More than once, I've found that with a spray, the intent to do some touch ups/reinforcements, like on the horizontal surfaces or wheel spray areas, ended up with a full coat on the entire car, simply because it was so quick and easy. It's like using a quick detailer, but with the durability of a full sealant.

Another benefit of these modern coatings is that they can be applied to trim, or even glass, though they're not necessarily intended for the latter. No need to take care to avoid certain areas of the car, or worry about excess remnants accumulating, and drying into a white chalky residue like an old school paste wax.

The sprays will streak if applied in excessive doses, and should not used on a hot surface like many a detailing product, but are still less potentially troublesome to apply.

I'm not trying to push CC on you, but you could make the case that it's easier than 3 in 1 to apply. Both great products.

Regardless of which product is chosen, I think the OP will be happy with the comparative ease of use, and durability of a modern spray sealant compared to the old school waxes.

I've tried others, like that Meguiars product the came in an aerosol can, and failed to live up to its claims, but GG 3/1 actually fulfills the promise of an easy-to-use product with good durability.

Are there better products? Certainly, but for those who aren't, or no longer have the same level of desire for detailing, it's hard to argue against, given its performance, availability, and modest cost.

CC, GG, and TW have all earned good reputations among the current breed, but others may come along as well. I'm curious about Collinite's entry into the segment.
 
I have a gifted bottle of Griot's Best of Show Wax that I had intended to finish before switching to my next coating. Y'all have me feeling like that'd be adding pointless work and I'd be better off just switching to the spray ASAP! :ROFLMAO: Best of Show is creamy – not hard to apply, but nowhere near as easy as these ceramic sprays seem to be, and I can't imagine it'll last as long.
 
I have a gifted bottle of Griot's Best of Show Wax that I had intended to finish before switching to my next coating. Y'all have me feeling like that'd be adding pointless work and I'd be better off just switching to the spray ASAP! :ROFLMAO: Best of Show is creamy – not hard to apply, but nowhere near as easy as these ceramic sprays seem to be, and I can't imagine it'll last as long.

No worries. I have a litany of old products on my detailing shelf, as well as a jar of Zymöl in the fridge.
 
Circling back to this:
At the very least I would do the following:

Pre-wash with an alkaline strip wash (Adam's Strip Wash, BHTouch-Less or if wanting something cheap Turtle Wax Power Wash) to remove as much remaining protection as possible (only polishing can truly remove a coating).
Clay
Wash car using an acidic shampoo like Descale or Purifica.
Adam's Strip Wash seems to be acidic, no? https://adamspolishes.com/products/adam-s-strip-wash

Either way, what's the logic behind the alkaline -> clay -> acidic progression? (not doubting; want to learn more)
 
Circling back to this:

Adam's Strip Wash seems to be acidic, no? https://adamspolishes.com/products/adam-s-strip-wash

Either way, what's the logic behind the alkaline -> clay -> acidic progression? (not doubting; want to learn more)
Acidic is more for unclogging a coating and remove minerals. Alkaline is more for road film and other organic contaminants. It seems both ends of the scale overlap on some things though. I thought Descale was good. I would just use either one and just put Griot's 3 in 1 on. Most of it is subjective. Just clean the paint as much as you can without polishing.
 
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I've been using Bilt Hamber Touchless V2 with foam cannon and Griots 3 in 1. I don't see any point in changing.

Family thinks I just bought the vehicle from the lot lol..
 
Twice a year I try to detail the daily driver. I've been using old school Duragloss #105 and am happy. Easy to apply, easy to wipe off, no waiting around afterwards, and looks good with what seems to be good protection. I picked up a bottle of the #601 bonding agent to mix with it and see how that adds to the durability.

Adam's is on the North side of Denver so isn't too far out of my way so I use their wash and picked up a bottle of Graphene spray for the in-between washes last year and it seems to help as well. Plus I like to support local businesses when I can.
 
Circling back to this:

Adam's Strip Wash seems to be acidic, no? https://adamspolishes.com/products/adam-s-strip-wash

Either way, what's the logic behind the alkaline -> clay -> acidic progression? (not doubting; want to learn more)
The Strip Wash was reformulated to be acidic. It's a great product, highly recommended. It's especially useful to revive "clogged" ceramic coatings, but can be used as it's named as a prep wash. I don't really think you need an alkaline wash personally, a neutral or acidic contact wash will remove anything the alkaline wash would remove, but the acids are the only things that will dissolve minerals.
 
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