Water pump done 5 years ago...time for another?

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02 Grand Caravan 140K. Water pump was done about 5 years ago. I am planning on doing the drive belt, should I do the water pump too or just leave it. (Same principle's apply to all cars when doing the belt?) I don't mind paying a bit for the security. Anything else to be done while at the belt? Tensioner?

(Yes, I am going to do the Camry and the van belts - my previous post)
 
I'd do the tensioner and the pump while I was in there. I would be seriously [censored] if I went through all the trouble to do that and ended up with a pump leaking not long down the road.
 
Did you use an OE pump, or Chinese/Mexican junk?

If OE, no worries, if the other, do it!
 
Originally Posted By: JRed
I'd do the tensioner and the pump while I was in there. I would be seriously [censored] if I went through all the trouble to do that and ended up with a pump leaking not long down the road.


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Is it really that much work to change the serp belt on those? I don't own one, so I don't know.

Otherwise, if the pump isn't broken, don't bother. Only ever had to replace one that was leaking. Others have lasted for 15+ years and 200,000 miles... The serp belts on my rigs are all 5-10 minute jobs tops.
 
Why do you replace the drive belt ? It has some cracks or signs of about to fail ? If it is needed to be replaced then replace the tensioner too. You don't need to do OEM water-pump nor alternator at this time.

My 130k miles 2000 E430 has all belts, water-pump, alternator, radiator and hoses ... original, none had been replaced. My 260k miles 1994 LS400 had drive belt and tensioner replaced at around 200k miles, because its water-pump leaked. The upper hose was replaced only once at 245k miles. The alternator was replaced at around 230k miles.

Many parts lasted much more than 100k miles now.
 
Thanks for all the points.

Caravan is our main rig. 02 with 140K. Plan on keeping it but the wife and I get a bit concerned. We drive to Nova Scotia twice a year and around Boston area with 4 small children and really can't afford to get stuck anywhere. So I figure some preventitive maintenance even if it costs a bit extra or wouldn't be considered normal replacement.
 
Originally Posted By: coopns
Thanks for all the points.

Caravan is our main rig. 02 with 140K. Plan on keeping it but the wife and I get a bit concerned. We drive to Nova Scotia twice a year and around Boston area with 4 small children and really can't afford to get stuck anywhere. So I figure some preventitive maintenance even if it costs a bit extra or wouldn't be considered normal replacement.

Water pumps don't fail suddenly though do they? One on the Neon dripped for quite a while before I got around to replacing it. Same with alternators too I guess, you need a real voltage gauage to see it go though.
 
If you are going to do *any* preventive maintenance, make sure the new parts are at least as good as the original parts. In most cases, that implies OEM/dealer parts. It makes no sense to replace a perfectly working original part with a cheapo after market which might die in few months.

- Vikas
 
I got the tensioner/pulley. About 4 years ago I got a brand new Dayco belt. I can get the parts for cost, should I get a Gates belt or just go with Dayco? I guess I will hold off on the pump.
 
Originally Posted By: IndyIan
Water pumps don't fail suddenly though do they? One on the Neon dripped for quite a while before I got around to replacing it. Same with alternators too I guess, you need a real voltage gauage to see it go though.


Not usually. My mother's Sunfire, for example, went 2000 km on a leaking water pump before I replaced it. It was dripping onto the driveshaft near the seal, and since the coolant was Dex-Cool it was reddish and I thought that a little bit of ATF was just seeping out when I looked for the source of the drops she had noticed on her garage floor. It got progressively louder, until it was obvious to her that there was a bearing problem somewhere under the hood and she asked me to look at it.

I've replaced three alternators in my life. All gave plenty of warning. It's probably much more likely to have a sudden failure with the electronics in that compared to a simple mechanical device like a water pump though.

I wouldn't change the pump. I don't even change the belt until there's some signs of aging, like any crack in the rubber on the non-ribbed side or severe cracking on the ribbed side. I give belts a good visual inspection before any road trip.
 
Originally Posted By: JRed
I'd do the tensioner and the pump while I was in there. I would be seriously [censored] if I went through all the trouble to do that and ended up with a pump leaking not long down the road.


Have you had a traumatic experience involving a drivebelt replacement, or were you thinking "timing belt"?
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The seal may leak for quite a while before failing, but a bad bearing can cave with in a week. Inspect the water pump bearing turning it by hand to try and feel for any thing chunky. It's also a good spot to use a stethoscope while the engine is running, but you would have needed to listen to it when it was new to compare. If it sounds good, and feels good, and is not weeping I would not replace it.
 
I guess it's piece of mind but it could also be a waste of money. Just because it's got 5 years on it doesn't mean it is bad.

Both my 01 Suburban w/206K and my 94 Intrepid w/256K have never had the water pump replaced... I don't lose any sleep over it. When it's time to change them, it's time to change them.
 
Originally Posted By: Vikas
If you are going to do *any* preventive maintenance, make sure the new parts are at least as good as the original parts. In most cases, that implies OEM/dealer parts. It makes no sense to replace a perfectly working original part with a cheapo after market which might die in few months.

- Vikas


Words of wisdom here. When I did the timing belt on our Toyota, I bought a China-Zone replacement water pump to replace at the same time. I looked at the 102k mile original with no leaks and no play in the shaft, and couldn't do it. AZ got their pump back. I'll replace the water pump with an OEM at the 200k + point after the next timing belt breaks.
 
If that's an OEM water pump, you're wasting time and money by replacing it at this point. And you'll make the vehicle less reliable by introducing potential problems where none existed before.

If the belt looks good and there are no indications of a problem, I'd leave the vehicle alone.
 
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