That’s crazy because I had assumed he went composite due to cost.
But you make a very good point about the weight.
Watched a documentary on OceanGate
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But you make a very good point about the weight.
The first sensational trips, I learned about its general construction of a carbon fibre tube and end caps...didn't like it.
then the post crush information made my eyes wider and wider with every turn.
saved a few bucks using stuff past it's expiration date too...it's not like the were going flying in it !!
I really wanted to believe that this guy had figured out an engineering solution that the old-school boys simply couldn't grasp.
Alas, he had not and he died along with his passengers.
The ship did make a number of dives before the fatal one and I find it hard to believe that Rush thought he was risking his own life with each dive.
Anyway, we now know that the design was fatally flawed and the old-school guys were right.
A pity for all aboard, especially the innocent high-dollar tourists who thought that they were perfectly safe.
Alas, he had not and he died along with his passengers.
The ship did make a number of dives before the fatal one and I find it hard to believe that Rush thought he was risking his own life with each dive.
Anyway, we now know that the design was fatally flawed and the old-school guys were right.
A pity for all aboard, especially the innocent high-dollar tourists who thought that they were perfectly safe.
The reporter nailed it.
Once you start selling tickets you need objective evidence of all levels of safety with every level of known risk in the open.
Once you start selling tickets you need objective evidence of all levels of safety with every level of known risk in the open.
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One of Humanity's current problems is that it lives with the ingrained illusion that it has the right to survive by the simple fact that it exists, and that no further effort is required.
A large group of people can only survive with (somewhat) common goals, with a certain level of light threats to keep it awake, and with a clear understanding of personal rights, personal responsibilities, and - what is starting to disappear - an understanding of personal limitations, and the courage to admit that one has to trust the specialists for the things that one is not competent at.
Internet has made the World into the equivalent of a full-stadium Rammstein concert, packed to the gills, with EVERYBODY holding a microphone, plugged into the same sound system. And everybody is yelling.
With the pros' voices being drowned in the common crowd, the crowd will simply listen to whoever shouts the loudest, not to whoever sings and plays best.
The fact that this guy was allowed to go that far into exposing people other than him to such risk, is indicative of the currently prevailing malaise. He was allowed to think he knows, to get comfortable into thinking he knows, better than the people who knew basic engineering and physics.
The miracle in this story is that this wannabee didn't create a submarine holding 50 or 500 people, and that he offed just five. May they all rest in peace, and may his cauldron be warm.
PS: Another seemingly unrelated but at the end of the day - quite similar documentary is "Class Action Park". It's on that streaming service that starts with an H and ends in BO. Same story about hubris and not taking no for an answer.
I had never heard about that place. Highly recommend it.
A large group of people can only survive with (somewhat) common goals, with a certain level of light threats to keep it awake, and with a clear understanding of personal rights, personal responsibilities, and - what is starting to disappear - an understanding of personal limitations, and the courage to admit that one has to trust the specialists for the things that one is not competent at.
Internet has made the World into the equivalent of a full-stadium Rammstein concert, packed to the gills, with EVERYBODY holding a microphone, plugged into the same sound system. And everybody is yelling.
With the pros' voices being drowned in the common crowd, the crowd will simply listen to whoever shouts the loudest, not to whoever sings and plays best.
The fact that this guy was allowed to go that far into exposing people other than him to such risk, is indicative of the currently prevailing malaise. He was allowed to think he knows, to get comfortable into thinking he knows, better than the people who knew basic engineering and physics.
The miracle in this story is that this wannabee didn't create a submarine holding 50 or 500 people, and that he offed just five. May they all rest in peace, and may his cauldron be warm.
PS: Another seemingly unrelated but at the end of the day - quite similar documentary is "Class Action Park". It's on that streaming service that starts with an H and ends in BO. Same story about hubris and not taking no for an answer.
I had never heard about that place. Highly recommend it.
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I don’t recall ever hearing of this but it sounds very interesting so when I get some time I’m going to watch it.
He KNEW it was de-laminating!
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No-No-No-No-No Kind Sir, can't you understand ?!?
It was NOT de-laminating.
It was RE-laminating itself in a different, more natural way. The delaminating lamination was laminating itself in a better lamination, at the quantum level. It made his submersible good for even bigger depths.
DE-lamination is for the others. His lamelles were bonding at a relaminating level.
As for Reality, it can always be ignored, fired or sued.
Now there is similar show on Netflix. I won’t have time to watch it for a bit
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I started watching that one yesterday but won’t be home to finish it until later today
The Netflix one has a few new folks and tidbits. Not sure if worth the time.
I assume these after the fact people opening their mouths are being paid.
I assume these after the fact people opening their mouths are being paid.
I watched the Netflix one - my kid wanted to so I watched. I had not seen any others. To me it was well worth the time.
Having worked in a corporate environment I recognize the type. Luckily in my case those people only lost money not lives.
As for people being paid, they go through a number of internal memo's by all the former employees that were terminated for having reservations about what they were doing, so this isn't there "now" story. I think 4 different engineering managers, the HR manager, another I forget his title. Plus comments from before the failure from engineers at Boeing and NASA. So no, I believe those people. The facts seem to line up.
The were trying to use spaceship technology for a submarine. The difference in pressure between sea level and outer space is one atmosphere. The difference between Sea level and the titanic is 300 atmospheres.
I'm not doubting anything and I am doubting everything all the time - that weren't mah pornt......
It's just a question. Do such shows (both) compensate these folks?
I asked someone I know who is an actual writer with actual press credentials. Just a local type. She said generally not paid as that would be seen as making the whole thing illegitimate.
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This is a good example of what WILL start happening without regulations.
Depends on what we are talking about.
And no one is proposing ending all regulations
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He did make history including the implosion .
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I don't know about ending all regulations but it's quite a long list when it comes to deregulations and proposed deregulations. But yes we aren't allowed to discuss it.
Maybe a while in the future when people look back and say holy crap I can't believe I didn't see this happening.
So over-regulation isn't a thing? I can assure you, absolutely it is. With many unintended consequences.
I think we can all easily agree when it comes to paying passengers in slightly dangerous situations, well yes, meaningful strict regulations required.
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