Watched a documentary on OceanGate

[slo town]

Sue and I watched a documentary about the Titan last night, the deep sea vessel that imploded. The implosion took just two milliseconds (0.002 seconds). Human cognitive awareness takes 25 milliseconds. One of the experts said something truly bizarre. "It's not like they were living and then died. They were living and just an instant later they ceased to EXIST".

Scott

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

Very sad story for both them and their families.

That guy did most of the talking about how safe/revolutionary it was but people should have listened to the experts who expressed serious safety concerns ( why you have to be careful who you listen to ).

Unfortunately it seems as if they all knew something was very wrong before it imploded even though they went instantaneously.

The epitome of arrogance ( owner ).

 

[StarCaller]

All about the money /
For the guy who knew the risks, every trip was basically a suicide mission /

Me on a sub like that? Not for all the money in the world.... /

 

[zzyzzx]

Yet another instance where they should have used metal, instead of a cheaper plastic (or plastic like) material.

 

[Astro14]

Yet another instance where they should have used metal, instead of a cheaper plastic (or plastic like) material.

I bet the carbon fiber was more expensive than steel, but the steel would be harder to balance buoyancy and to maneuver because of weight.

 

[Dborch41]

Yet another instance where they should have used metal, instead of a cheaper plastic (or plastic like) material.

Composites, including the carbon fiber used on the Titan's hull, are great under tension but not so much for compression. Basically the opposite of concrete. That's why airliner fuselages are leaning towards composites but "real" submarines still use good ol' steel.
That's what happens when management ignores the engineers (Boeing, are you listening?)

 

[EvoMan]

There’s a documentary starting tomorrow, Wednesday June 11th on Netflix about it called: Titan, the Oceangate Disaster.

 

[Pablo]

I have not watched the docu yet. Wife doesn't want to.

I watched the YT video when the wife says "What was that sound?"

 

[Pablo]

Sue and I watched a documentary about the Titan last night, the deep sea vessel that imploded. The implosion took just two milliseconds (0.002 seconds). Human cognitive awareness takes 25 milliseconds. One of the experts said something truly bizarre. "It's not like they were living and then died. They were living and just an instant later they ceased to EXIST".

Scott

Some of that may be based on your belief system

 

[Just a civilian pilot]

IMHO, that guy was far too arrogant to think his sub was unsafe.

He thought he was making history each dive.

 

[dnewton3]

Sue and I watched a documentary about the Titan last night, the deep sea vessel that imploded. The implosion took just two milliseconds (0.002 seconds). Human cognitive awareness takes 25 milliseconds. One of the experts said something truly bizarre. "It's not like they were living and then died. They were living and just an instant later they ceased to EXIST".

Scott

I assume it was on a streaming service? Which one, and what was the title?

 

[slo town]

I assume it was on a streaming service? Which one, and what was the title?

The quote was from a 60 Minutes Australia episode, although not the James Cameron one.

This is a much better documentary.

Scott

https://go.discovery.com/video/impl...scovery-atve-us/implosiontitanic-sub-disaster

 

[slo town]

I have not watched the docu yet. Wife doesn't want to.

I watched the YT video when the wife says "What was that sound?"

I know! That was nuts. His wife seemed to laugh it off. You could tell the guy sitting next to her was thinking, "This is NOT good!" before scurrying off.

Scott

 

[slo town]

I bet the carbon fiber was more expensive than steel, but the steel would be harder to balance buoyancy and to maneuver because of weight.

Another serious flaw was the shape.

Scott

 

[StarCaller]

I assume it was on a streaming service? Which one, and what was the title?

Implosion - The Titanic Sub Disaster (2025)

 

[Pablo]

I just watched it.

I certainly won't be the first to claim I knew nothing of this showboat's operation. That's exactly what this Rush guy was. PT Barnum. If he spoke directly to me, I would not believe much of what he said. I actually thought - foolishly - the whole operation had some semblance of rigor when it was operating................see there is the problem, and should be regulated, and I am not a regulation person.

 

[Shannow]

I got heavily rabbit holed after it happened, and there were just so many "NO"s yelling in my head at every new piece on information.

Day one as soon as they mentioned carbon fibre construction, with titanium vessel ends, told my wife that it collapsed like a dented coke can....then a few weeks ago they mentioned a "bang" and permanent deformation of the strain guages...and they went down again after....for a bloke who was so confident of his design and understanding, to have not scrapped the hull was criminally negligent.

Design out of approved standards - engineers CAN do that where not possible/appropriate
Carbon fibre in compression - I'll pass
Carbon fibre laid axially and circumferentially - when they were specificaly told diagonally - I'll pass (and it wouldn't have changed mind on the last point).
Thick walled vessel of laminated construction...I'd do it for a pressure vessel, not for this.
Glued on end caps - I'll pass, I know that's the only way, but see point two.

Not only was the cylinder surrounded by a pressure, but it's also a column in buckling keeping the end caps apart...do the trick where you stand on a coke can and get someone to poke the side.

Just no....even without the PT Barnum aspect.

 

[Greenbeforeblue]

FAAFO

Sometimes rich people get into trouble because they aren't accustomed to hearing the word "no".

 

[97prizm]

Sue and I watched a documentary about the Titan last night, the deep sea vessel that imploded. The implosion took just two milliseconds (0.002 seconds). Human cognitive awareness takes 25 milliseconds. One of the experts said something truly bizarre. "It's not like they were living and then died. They were living and just an instant later they ceased to EXIST".

Scott

A recent video on YouTube came out where the ctew was tracking the vessel then there was a bang then silence. One of the engineers I think instantly knew what happened. A few early investors looked at it and ran. A coupon of engineers told the ceo that you can't epoxy carbon fiber to titanium which from memory gotbthem fired.

 

[Pablo]

I got heavily rabbit holed after it happened, and there were just so many "NO"s yelling in my head at every new piece on information.

Day one as soon as they mentioned carbon fibre construction, with titanium vessel ends, told my wife that it collapsed like a dented coke can....then a few weeks ago they mentioned a "bang" and permanent deformation of the strain guages...and they went down again after....for a bloke who was so confident of his design and understanding, to have not scrapped the hull was criminally negligent.

Design out of approved standards - engineers CAN do that where not possible/appropriate
Carbon fibre in compression - I'll pass
Carbon fibre laid axially and circumferentially - when they were specificaly told diagonally - I'll pass (and it wouldn't have changed mind on the last point).
Thick walled vessel of laminated construction...I'd do it for a pressure vessel, not for this.
Glued on end caps - I'll pass, I know that's the only way, but see point two.

Not only was the cylinder surrounded by a pressure, but it's also a column in buckling keeping the end caps apart...do the trick where you stand on a coke can and get someone to poke the side.

Just no....even without the PT Barnum aspect.

Did you know any details on the construction say a year before the implosion?