VW OIL Conversation

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: redbone3
The latest from VW and my reply:




From: Jack Atherton
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 12:18 PM
To: VWoA Customer CARE
Subject: Re: Volkswagen Customer CARE 814014822

Dear Jacob,

Audi, which sells cars with precisely the same engine (1.8 Turbo) has an oil advisory on their website. You can down load the whole list from there, which lists many oils not on the one you mention. The Audi website specifically states that you can use 0-40 that meets the VW 502.00. There are several 0-40’s that have the VW502.00. Also, in my owner’s manual, it states that I can use any weight of oil suitable for my climate and driving habits as long as it meets the VW502.00. Would you like to list the climates 0-40 is not suited for? So, are you going to issue an addendum to all the VW owner’s manuals?

It would be interesting to hear an engineer from VW say why an oil that meets the VW502.00 in the weight of 0-40 (which flows better at low temperature) is unsuitable for use.

Please be advised that a copy of this letter, and the Audi information, and the conversation with VW online is available for public reading on bobistheoilguy.com.
Perhaps you would like to go that site and explain why whenever an oil becomes available at regular car parts stores, it suddenly is no longer on your list?

Sincerely,

Jack N. Atherton
640 Paso Fino Ct.
Reno, NV 89521

From: VWoA Customer CARE
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:07 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Volkswagen Customer CARE 814014822

Reference # 814014822

Dear Mr. Atherton,

Thank you for your patience while my colleague and I looked into your concerns with the oil for your Passat.

We confirmed that, as it is not on the approved list of oils for VW vehicles provided in TSB 17 14 04, using the oil with a viscosity rating of 0-40 you purchased could potentially hamper your Passat’s performance, or even lead to engine damage. As this would be considered an outside influence, we would not be able to cover any damage found to be the result of inappropriate oil usage under warranty.

I understand you have been having some difficulty finding oils in your area which meet our specifications, so I spoke with Lithia VW of Reno. They confirmed that their parts department carries oil which is healthy for your car’s engine, and can even run your VIN to show you which would be best to use.

You can give them a call at (775) 852-3300.

If you have any further questions or concerns, please feel welcome to reply to this email, or to give me a call at (800) 822-8987.

I wish you many miles of fun, carefree driving.

Sincerely,




Jacob M.
Customer CARE Advocate




redbone:

Can you please write an e-mail to Mobil and Castrol, paste this and ask for their explanation!

 

[riggaz]

What I mean is a 5w-40 will have a thicker, and therefor a naturally stronger oil film when cold than a 0w-40. A 0w-40 will not protect the engine better when cold, it just flows slightly better.

As the oil pump, filter and oil ways are already primed full of oil due to the pump and filters anti-drain design, oil is instantly supplied to bearings whether using a 5w-40 or a 0w-40.

 

[Apollo14]

Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
They sound like a broken record.

"hamper your Passat’s performance"??? "parts department carries oil which is healthy"??? Thanks for the laughs. I needed it.

Me too. I liked this part:

Quote:
..... using the oil with a viscosity rating of 0-40 you purchased could potentially hamper your Passat’s performance, or even lead to engine damage. As this would be considered an outside influence, we would not be able to cover any damage found to be the result of inappropriate oil usage under warranty.

I wish you many miles of fun, carefree driving.

Anyway, OP why don't you get Pennzoil Euro 5w40 from Amazon? Get the $10 Pennzoil rebate while you are at it.

 

[redbone3]

Originally Posted By: Apollo14
Originally Posted By: Quattro Pete
They sound like a broken record.

"hamper your Passat’s performance"??? "parts department carries oil which is healthy"??? Thanks for the laughs. I needed it.

Me too. I liked this part:

Quote:
..... using the oil with a viscosity rating of 0-40 you purchased could potentially hamper your Passat’s performance, or even lead to engine damage. As this would be considered an outside influence, we would not be able to cover any damage found to be the result of inappropriate oil usage under warranty.

I wish you many miles of fun, carefree driving.

Anyway, OP why don't you get Pennzoil Euro 5w40 from Amazon? Get the $10 Pennzoil rebate while you are at it.


There are zero Pennzoil products on the list.

 

[edyvw]

Originally Posted By: riggaz
What I mean is a 5w-40 will have a thicker, and therefor a naturally stronger oil film when cold than a 0w-40. A 0w-40 will not protect the engine better when cold, it just flows slightly better.

As the oil pump, filter and oil ways are already primed full of oil due to the pump and filters anti-drain design, oil is instantly supplied to bearings whether using a 5w-40 or a 0w-40.

I seriously do not understand what you trying to say.
So why for example, when I used 5W40 always had rattling noise coming from camshaft assembly, but when using 0W40 I do not have? Then we could use 10W40 or 15W40.
Also, problem is that 5W40 that VW uses in the U.S. in dealerships is several levels below M1 0W40 and Castrol 0W40. It cannot meet MB 229.5 (only 229.3), it has NOACK of 13% and unlike 0W40 both M1 and Castrol we do not know what is HTHS of that oil.
I used some time Castrol 5W40 in my previous car, Passat 1.8T 2005, and after 4000 miles would get knocking noise from valve lifters. That NEVER, NEVER happened with Castrol 0W30 which I mostly used, but also M1 0W40 and Pennzoil 5W40 that I used several times. All those oils I run until 8K and never heard anything from engine.

 

[bobbydavro]

VW Russia have issued TSBs recommending Castrol Prof A3 0W-30 for all 1.8t and 2.0t engines due to field issues at low temperatures.

There is no issue with using 0W-40 502 oils in the 1.8T engine. Personally in the US I would be happy with a 5W-40, lower VI treat and a higher base oil viscosity.

FWIW. The current edge 5W-40 A3/B4 has a noack of 11%

 

[redbone3]

Originally Posted By: bobbydavro
VW Russia have issued TSBs recommending Castrol Prof A3 0W-30 for all 1.8t and 2.0t engines due to field issues at low temperatures.

There is no issue with using 0W-40 502 oils in the 1.8T engine. Personally in the US I would be happy with a 5W-40, lower VI treat and a higher base oil viscosity.

FWIW. The current edge 5W-40 A3/B4 has a noack of 11%


The issue is that VW does not have it on their approved list.

 

[redbone3]

I just bought the last quart of oil available (other than at a dealership) that VW says is suitable for my Passat available in Reno Nevada. NAPA store on Glendale in Reno had one quart left. Valvoline Full Synthetic SynPower European Formula MST 5-40. They were selling a 5-40 Weight on their European shelf, which claimed the VW Spec (502 etc.) But, that oil was not on the list.

 

[kschachn]

VW who? This thread has rambled on so long I have forgotten the exact issue, but a conversation with a rep, an e-mail, a letter, or even a list they publish of approved oils isn't definitive you realize. The specification is however, and which bottles of oil say they meet that spec. That's all that matters. CSRs don't know everything and lists change/get out of date. But a specification and an oil meeting that spec do not.

You sure are stuck on that list.

Originally Posted By: redbone3
I just bought the last quart of oil available (other than at a dealership) that VW says is suitable for my Passat available in Reno Nevada. NAPA store on Glendale in Reno had one quart left. Valvoline Full Synthetic SynPower European Formula MST 5-40. They were selling a 5-40 Weight on their European shelf, which claimed the VW Spec (502 etc.) But, that oil was not on the list.

 

[kschachn]

Not really. An oil bottle (from a reputable manufacturer) that says it meets the spec is what matters.

Are you supposed to go find and download some list every time you change oil? No of course not. You're supposed to read your owner's manual, find out what kind of oil is required, and then go buy an oil that meets those requirements. Those lists are conveniences only despite what "VW" might say.

Originally Posted By: redbone3
The issue is that VW does not have it on their approved list.

 

[redbone3]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
Not really. An oil bottle (from a reputable manufacturer) that says it meets the spec is what matters.

Are you supposed to go find and download some list every time you change oil? No of course not. You're supposed to read your owner's manual, find out what kind of oil is required, and then go buy an oil that meets those requirements. Those lists are conveniences only despite what "VW" might say.

Originally Posted By: redbone3
The issue is that VW does not have it on their approved list.


VW only makes the list available at the dealer, so you're supposed to go there and get the latest list, then buy some oil.

 

[Apollo14]

Can you get it for us? It would be interesting to see what oils are on it.

 

[redbone3]

Originally Posted By: Apollo14
Can you get it for us? It would be interesting to see what oils are on it.


Here it is!!!

Technical Bulletin
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Model(s) Year Eng. Code Trans. Code VIN Range
From VIN Range To
All
(except
Routan)
1997-2015 All All All All
Condition
17 14 04 September 2, 2014 2012855 Supersedes Technical Bulletin V171205 dated December 5, 2012 due to
additional model year applicability and updated oil standard lists to current specifications.
Engine Oils Which Meet Volkswagen Oil Quality Standard VW 502 00/505 00/505 01 and VW 504 00/507 00
(U.S. ONLY)
Technical Background
Information only.
Production Solution
No production change required.
Technical Bulletin
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© 2014 Volkswagen Group of America, Inc.
All rights reserved. Information contained in this document is based on the latest information available at the time of printing and is subject to the copyright and other
intellectual property rights of Volkswagen Group of America, Inc., its affiliated companies and its licensors. All rights are reserved to make changes at any time without notice.
No part of this document may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or
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Service
See attachment for a list of the “Worldwide” engine oils which currently meet Volkswagen Oil Quality Standard VW
502 00/505 00/505 01 and VW 504 00/507 00.
Quick Reference Guide
Gasoline Engines + Hybrid VW Standard
All engines VW 502 00 / 505 00 / 505 01
Diesel Engines VW Standard
Pumpe-Düse VW 505 01 or 507 00
Common-Rail, with Diesel Particulate Filter VW 507 00
Tip:
SOME ENGINE OILS LISTED ON THE ATTACHMENT MAY NOT BE AVAILABLE IN NORTH AMERICA.
Please refer to the specific Vehicle Owner’s Manual, published Technical Bulletins and Fluid Capacity Charts to
select the appropriate oil required for each Volkswagen vehicle.
The sample list attached are products generally available in the North American market that meet the
Volkswagen Oil Quality Standard VW 502 00/505 00/505 01 and VW 504 00/507 00 specification at the time
of this publication.
Technical Bulletin
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© 2014 Volkswagen Group of America, Inc.
All rights reserved. Information contained in this document is based on the latest information available at the time of printing and is subject to the copyright and other
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No part of this document may be reproduced, stored in a retrieval system, or transmitted in any form or by any means, electronic, mechanical, photocopying, recording, or
otherwise, nor may these materials be modified or reposted to other sites, without the prior expressed written permission of the publisher.
Warranty
Information only.
Required Parts and Tools
No Special Parts required.
No Special Tools required.
Additional Information
All part and service references provided in this Technical Bulletin are subject to change and/or removal.
Always check with your Parts Dept. and Repair Manuals for the latest information.
Firma Bezeichnung SAE-Klasse VW-Norm(en)
AD Parts AD MDXs SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Adamol Multitop PDI SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Additive Products ad-Diesel PD Oil SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Adnoc Voyger Gold SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Aral BlueTronic SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Aral HighTronic SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Aral MegaSynth SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Aral Plus2Synth SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Aral Tronic 431 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Ardeca Syn-Tec XL SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Avia Diesel Turbo CFE SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Avia Turbo CFE SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
BG Products BG Synthetic Engine Oil SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
BP Visco 3000 A3/B4 SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
BP Visco 3000 Diesel SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
BP Visco 5000 SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
BP Visco 5000 C SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Cartechnic Motorenöl MF SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Cartechnic Motorenöl Pumpe-Düse SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Edge SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Edge C3 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Edge Professional 505 01 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Edge Professional C3 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Edge Turbo Diesel SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Castrol GTX A3/B3 SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Castrol GTX A3/B4 SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Magnatec C3 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Magnatec Diesel DPF SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Magnatec Professional C3 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Magnatec Professional Diesel SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Magnatec Professional OE SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Edge Professional OE SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Magnatec C3 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Castrol Magnatec Professional MP SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Cepsa Xtar 505.01 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Cepsa Xtar TDI SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Champion New Energy PI SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Champion OEM Specific C3 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Chanchung Delian Chemical DLEO-B001 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Cofran Sintolux DI SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Copton Formula Super SM SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Cyclon F1 TDi SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
De Oliebron Tor Specialsynth NF SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Delek Delkol Motorsynth TDI SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Divinol Syntholight HC-FE SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Duglas Oil GTx Clean C3 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Durand Isotech Hi-Tech SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Edeka Edeka Gut & Günstig Motorenöl SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Elf Competition ST SAE 15W-50 50200/50500/50501
Elf Evolution 700 ST SAE 15W-50 50200/50500/50501
ELF Evolution 900 DID SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
ELF Evolution Full-Tech C3 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
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ELF Evolution Full-Tech MSX SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Eneos Premium Hyper 5W-40 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Engen Xtreme SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Eni i-Sint MS SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Eni i-Sint top MS SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Euro Car Parts Triple QX SynPlus PD FS SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Eurol Turbo DI SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Eurolub Cleantec SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
FAM Krusevac Fenix Premium SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Fina First 500 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Fuchs Titan GT1 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Fuchs Titan GT1 Pro Flex SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Fuchs Titan GT1 Pro Gas SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Fuchs Titan GT1 Pro Gas SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Fujian Laike Laike SM SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Galp energia Active 3000 V 505 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Galp energia ENERGY ULTRA LS SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Galp energia FORMULA 505 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Gecco Motorenöl SY SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
G-Energy Service Line GMO SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
G-Energy Service Line W SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Gulf Formula CX SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Gulf Formula ULE SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Gulf Formula ULE SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Gulf Progress Extended SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
INA Star SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Indian Oil Servo Technik ol Plus SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Industrial Quimica Riojana MatraX InfluX DPF C3 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Industrial Quimica Riojana MatraX InluX 505,01 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Interparts Autoteile GmbH Trost masteroil c-tec Power SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Jet High Level SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Jet High Level Diesel SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Jiangsu Lopal Petrochemical Sonic 9000 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Jiangsu Lopal Tech Lopal SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Kendall GT-1 ® Full Synthetic Euro Motor Oil SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Kendall GT-1 ® Full Synthetic Euro Motor Oil SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Korlube Euro Formula Eco SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Kunlun Tianrun SM SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Kross Exeo TDI SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Kunlun Tianyuan SM/CF SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Kuttenkeuler M-Tronic Extra SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Kuttenkeuler Sorotec 2+ Pdi SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Liqui Moly Diesel High Tech SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Liqui Moly Nachfüll-Öl SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Liqui Moly Pro-Engine M 500 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Liqui Moly Pro-Engine M400 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Liqui Moly Top Tec 4100 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Liqui Moly Top Tec 4600 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Liqui Moly Top Tec 4605 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Lotos Quazar SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Lotos Quazar SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Lotos Quazar C3 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Lotos Syntetic Plus SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
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Lotos Syntetic Plus Turbodiesel SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Lotos Traffic Pro 505.01 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Lotos Traffic Pro 505.01 C3 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Lukoil Genesis Premium SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
MAPO Super PDI SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Meguin megol Motorenoel Efficiency SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Metro Cash and Carry Biloxxi HC SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Mexicana Lubricants Akron Spitzen SN SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Midland Synova SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Minerva Oil TSH SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Mobil Super 3000 Formula G SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Mobil Super 3000 XE SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Mobil Syst S Special V SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Modrica Optima 505.01 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Modrica Optima ECO SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Mol Dynamic Prima SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Motorex Profile V-XL SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Motorex Select LA-X SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Motorex Select SP-X SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Motul 8100 X-clean SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Motul 8100 X-clean FE SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Motul Feu Vert 505 01 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Motul Feu Vert Multi Normes SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Motul Specific 50200 50501 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Müller Mineralöle Synt 2+ Pdi SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Neste City Standard SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Oest GIGANT LS PLUS SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Orlen Oil star tron LL SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Paz Lubricants & Chemicals Ltd Top Paz SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Pentosin Pento High Performance II SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Pentosin Pentosynth HC SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
PetroChina Kunlun Tianrun 9000 C3 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
PetroChina Kunlun Tianrun 9000 SM SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Petronas Syntium 3000 AV SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Petronas TD 6412019 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Phi Oil GmbH Specialsynth Gold SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Pinnacle Oil National Synthetic SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Platinum MaxExpert C3 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Platinum PRO C3 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
PT Biru Megah Abadi BMI Gold Series SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
PTT Performa Euro Syn SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Quantum Platinum SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Quantum Synta SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Raloy Full Synthetic Engine Oil SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Raloy Genuine Engine Oil SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Ravenol VMO SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Ravenol VPD SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
real,- Quality GPD SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Redoil Italia Challoils SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Repsol Elite 50501 TDI SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Repsol Elite Evolution SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Repsol Elite Evolution Long Life SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Rheinol Primus DX SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
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Rheinol Primus DXM SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Rosneft Premium SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Rowe Hightec Synt RS DLS SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Rowe Multi Formula SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Rowe Synt RS-DLS SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Shanghai Lizhong LUHU SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Shanghai Tempo Petrochem Tempo 8000-3 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Shell Helix Diesel HX7 AV SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Shell Helix HX7 Professional AV SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Shell Helix Ultra SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Shell PC 1112 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Sinopec Justar J500 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Sinopec Polar Star III SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Sonol SYNT 505.01 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
SRS ViVA 1 topsynth alpha LA SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Startol Vita Extra SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Sunlight Lubrication Fullypower SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
SWD Concep-Tech DX SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
SWD CONCEP-TECH Synth. SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
SWD Gecco MZB SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Tamoil Sint Future Extra SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Tamoil Sint Future KW SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Tecar Leichtlauf Motorenöl SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Tecar Motorenoel 505 01 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Tecar Special DX2 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Tedex Synthetic Motor Oil SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Texaco Havoline Ultra S SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Thevenin & Ducrot Avia Synth SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Total Activa Diesel 7000 SAE 15W-50 50200/50500/50501
Total Quartz 4x4 SAE 15W-50 50200/50500/50501
Total Quartz 7000 SAE 15W-50 50200/50500/50501
Total Quartz 9000 DID SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Total Quartz Energy 7000 SAE 15W-50 50200/50500/50501
Total Quartz INEO MC3 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Unil Opal Opaljet Futura SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Unil Opal Opaljet Longlife 3 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Valvoline DuraBlend Diesel SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Valvoline SynPower motor oil SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Valvoline SynPower MST SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Valvoline SynPower MST C3 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Veedol Powertron Ultra SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Veedol Syntron C3 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Volkswagen Original Teile® Special Plus SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Weco TXI Turbo LL SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Westfalen AG WXD SAE 10W-40 50200/50500/50501
Wolf Officialtech C3 SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
Wolf Vitaltech PI SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Yacco VX 1000 FAP SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Yacco VX 1000 LL SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
Yacco VX 1703 FAP SAE 5W-30 50200/50500/50501
YPF Elaion F50 SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
YPF Elaion SUV SAE 5W-40 50200/50500/50501
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Firma Bezeichnung SAE-Klasse VW-Norm(en)
AD Parts AD SCB SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
AD Parts AD SCC SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Adamol Multitop Longlife SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Addinol Giga light MV 0530 LL SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Addinol Mega Light MV 0539 LE SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Addinol Mega Star SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
AMAG GAMAPARTS Super LongLife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
April April Hyper Syn Euro SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Aral SuperTronic Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Ardeca Syn-Tec Pro SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
ATU Motor Oil Spezial SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Audi Original Teile® Long Life III Hochleistungsmotorenöl SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Avia Aviasynth LSP Plus SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Avia avilubesynth LSP Plus SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Avia Synth Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Aviaticon Unique LongLife WIV SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Biloxxi Biloxxi III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Bizol Compatible SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Blasol PXA SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
BLU Synthetic Technician Series XLS-FS SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
BP Visco 7000 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
BP Visco 7000 Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Caltex Havoline Ultra V SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Carat ad-High Tech Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Carat GTE Special-Edition Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Cartechnic Motorenöl Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Cartechnic Motorenöl Multi SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Castrol Edge SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Castrol Edge Professional LL03 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Castrol Edge Professional Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Castrol Magnatec Professional C3 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Castrol SLX Professional LL03 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Centro Motoröl Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Cepsa Xtar 504 507 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Cepsa Xtar TDI 504 507 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Champion OEM Specific LL III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Champion Syntolube Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Classic Meduna PT 530 Longlife III LA SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Cofran Sintolux FORCE V SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
CTR MatraX InfluX V-LL SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Cyclon Hellas F1 V SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
DBV LL SAPS Super Universal SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
De Oliebron Tor Extendo NF SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Denicol Syn Extra Long Life III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Divinol Syntholight DPF SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Elf Excellium TDI SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Elf Solaris LLX SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Emka Superpower C-3 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
ENEOS Premium Ultra Fully Synthetic SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Eni i-Sint SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Enoc Kuwa Speed 4700 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Epro Meisteröl WIV Longlife SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Eurol Syntence Fully Synthetic SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Eurolub Eurolub WIV ECO SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Exol Optima LSV SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
FAM Krusevac Fenix Power 504/507 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Fina FINA First 500 504/507 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Fuchs Titan GT1 LONGLIFE III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Fuchs Titan GT1 PRO C-3 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
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Galp energia Active 3000 V SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Galp energia Formula Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
G-Energy Service Line W SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Global Racing Oil GXS SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Globus multilub Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Gulf Formula GVX SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Gulf Progress Intensia SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
HEM Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Igol PROFIVE 504/507 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Igol Profive Platinium SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Ina Maziva Ultra Star FE SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Interparts Autoteile GmbH Trost masteroil c-tec Power LL3 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
JB German Oil Longlife WIV 1 Plus SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Kaufland K-Classic Motorenöl Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Kendall Elite Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
KLOBOmotive KLOBOlube Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Kompressol MBV SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Kross Exeo LL SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Kuttenkeuler Ultra Tronic SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Liqui Moly Pro-Engine M600 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Liqui Moly Top Tec 4200 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Lotos Quazar LLIII SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Mabanol Xenon Ultra Synth Longlife SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Mannol Energy Combi LL SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
megol Motorenoel Compatible SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Metro Cash and Carry Biloxxi III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Millers XF Longlife SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Minerva Oil TSV SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Mitan Alpine Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Mitasu Euro Diesel LongLife 100% Synthetic SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Mobil 1 ESP Formula SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Mobil Super 3000 Formula V SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Mol Dynamic Gold Longlife SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Moravia-Chem Cinol Long Life SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Morris Multilife V-Max SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Motorex Profile V-XL SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Motul 8100 X-clean + SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Motul Expert LL SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Motul Feu Vert 504 00 507 00 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Motul Specific 504 00 507 00 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
MPM MPM 05000 Motoroil premium synthetic LL III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
New Process Eco Syn Plus SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Nisotec Autoline W SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Nordlub V-Kombi LL3 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Oest Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Oilfino Via Ultra LL SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
OMV BIXXOL special UP SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
OMV BIXXOL special V7 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Orlen Oil Platinum MaxExpert V SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Orlen Oil Platinum PRO V SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
OWS Grandsport DPF SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Panolin Avanis SV-X SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Paz Extreme 507.00 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Pennzoil Platinum Euro L SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Pennzoil Ultra Euro L SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Penrite Oil Enviro+ SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Pentosin Pento Super Performance III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Petrol Ofisi PO Maxima VSA SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Petronas Syntium 5000 AV SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Power Oil High-Tech Schmierstoffe Super Combi SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
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Praktiker Praktiker SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Quaker State QS Ultimate Durability SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Quantum Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Ravenol VMP SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Ravenol WIV III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
real,- Quality GSL SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Repsol Elite Long Life 50700/50400 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Rock Oil Synthesis EXTRA-Life SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Rowe Multi Synt DPF SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Rymco Posidon LL-III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Sash Flagship C3 OEM 547 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
SCT Pemco Longlife SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Shell Helix Diesel Ultra Extra SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Shell Helix Ultra AV-L SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Shell Helix Ultra ECT SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Shell Helix Ultra ECT Diesel SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Shell Helix Ultra Extra SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Shell Helix Ultra Professional AV-L SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
SK Lubricants ZIC XQ TOP SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
SLI Extra Sint APL SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
SRS ViVA 1 SLV plus SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Startol Longlife Ultra SP 1 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Teboil Diamond Carat III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Tecar Motorenoel 504 00 / 507 00 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Tecar Motorenöl Spezial 50400/50700 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Tectrol Speed LL 530 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Tectrol Speed Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Texaco Havoline Ultra V SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Total Activa Ineo Long Life SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Total Quartz Ineo Long Life SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Unil Melia 3500 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Unil Opal Opaljet Energy 3 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
United Oil Gold VX SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Valvoline SynPower XL-III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Valvoline SynPower XL-LLL SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Vapsoil Vapsoil 507 00 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Volkswagen Original Teile® Long Life III Hochleistungsmotorenöl SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Voltronic Motoröl MDPF SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Wibo Wibosport Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Winba Oil-X 507 00 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Wolf Masterlube Synflow Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Wolf Officialtech LL III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Wunsch Syntholube Longlife III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Würth Triathlon Endurance III SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Xado Atomic Oil 504/507 SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
Yacco Lube DE SAE 5W-30 50400/50700
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[Garak]

Originally Posted By: redbone3
VW only makes the list available at the dealer, so you're supposed to go there and get the latest list, then buy some oil.

Nonsense. Oil specifications are printed on data sheets and oil bottles, too. VW/Audi in North America has been, historically, pretty clueless about what oils to use. If you buy an approved oil today, according to bottle specs and data sheet, and then VW dumps them or they dump VW the next day and it's no longer on the list, are you supposed to throw the oil away?

This thread is ridiculous already. Grab an oil that has the approval required and use it. The CSRs are clearly following a script from which they cannot deviate thanks to lack of expertise.

 

[Quattro Pete]

Originally Posted By: Garak
Originally Posted By: redbone3
VW only makes the list available at the dealer, so you're supposed to go there and get the latest list, then buy some oil.

Nonsense. Oil specifications are printed on data sheets and oil bottles, too.

[...]

Grab an oil that has the approval required and use it. The CSRs are clearly following a script from which they cannot deviate thanks to lack of expertise.

Agreed. If you read the owner's manual, there is no clear prohibition from using 0w-40 grades if it carries VW 502.00 spec. And a manufacturer can't possibly require the owner to go chasing some secret oil lists that are only available at the dealer. If you're following the owner's manual, you're golden. And should VAG ever give you warranty problems as a result, every attorney in the country will be happy to back you up on it.

 

[kschachn]

Either you're joking or delusional. Please clarify which one.

Originally Posted By: redbone3
VW only makes the list available at the dealer, so you're supposed to go there and get the latest list, then buy some oil.

 

[kschachn]

That right there is all you need to know. Please don't tell me you thought different, and ran around Nevada trying to find an oil that was on the list.

Quote:
Please refer to the specific Vehicle Owner’s Manual, published Technical Bulletins and Fluid Capacity Charts to select the appropriate oil required for each Volkswagen vehicle. The sample list attached are products generally available in the North American market that meet the Volkswagen Oil Quality Standard VW 502 00/505 00/505 01 and VW 504 00/507 00 specification at the time of this publication.

 

[redbone3]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
That right there is all you need to know. Please don't tell me you thought different, and ran around Nevada trying to find an oil that was on the list.

Quote:
Please refer to the specific Vehicle Owner’s Manual, published Technical Bulletins and Fluid Capacity Charts to select the appropriate oil required for each Volkswagen vehicle. The sample list attached are products generally available in the North American market that meet the Volkswagen Oil Quality Standard VW 502 00/505 00/505 01 and VW 504 00/507 00 specification at the time of this publication.


Read your own source: published Technical Bulletin

 

[redbone3]

Originally Posted By: kschachn
Either you're joking or delusional. Please clarify which one.

Originally Posted By: redbone3
VW only makes the list available at the dealer, so you're supposed to go there and get the latest list, then buy some oil.



You can't make this stuff up!!! Use your browser and try to find this technical bulletin on any VW site!

 

[kschachn]

Why would I when I have an owners manual that states a specification, and an oil bottle that states it meets the spec?

Originally Posted By: redbone3
Originally Posted By: kschachn
Either you're joking or delusional. Please clarify which one.

Originally Posted By: redbone3
VW only makes the list available at the dealer, so you're supposed to go there and get the latest list, then buy some oil.

You can't make this stuff up!!! Use your browser and try to find this technical bulletin on any VW site!