VW 504 Oil Experiment Your Opinion Counts!

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Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
Valvoline MST 5W-40 is available at many Walmarts. It's a low-SAPS German OEM oil.


Is it VW approved? My car is under warranty need to use an approved oil.

Jeff
 
Since Ferrari supposedly uses PU 5w40 in their DI motors does this mean they may be prone to carbon deposits too?

I guess if you can afforda new ferrari you wouldn't be concerned about the cost to clean the valves ha ha

Jeff
 
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
Valvoline MST 5W-40 is available at many Walmarts. It's a low-SAPS German OEM oil.


Is it VW approved? My car is under warranty need to use an approved oil.

Jeff



Yes.

Also, why do we have a second thread that's rehashing the previous thread's four pages?
 
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
PU 5w-40 (what I'm currently running FWIW) is the one with the insanely low NOACK.


I did try the pu 5w40 euro and posted a uoa. After 3100 miles it sheared to a 30w and not on the high side of a 30w. So I switched to M1 0w40 will do a uoa of that when I put the 504 oil in.

Jeff


SM or SN?
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
PU 5w-40 (what I'm currently running FWIW) is the one with the insanely low NOACK.


I did try the pu 5w40 euro and posted a uoa. After 3100 miles it sheared to a 30w and not on the high side of a 30w. So I switched to M1 0w40 will do a uoa of that when I put the 504 oil in.

Jeff


SM or SN?


Not sure was 5w40 euro ordered on amazon will see if I have any bottles left. It was bought this year.
 
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
PU 5w-40 (what I'm currently running FWIW) is the one with the insanely low NOACK.


I did try the pu 5w40 euro and posted a uoa. After 3100 miles it sheared to a 30w and not on the high side of a 30w. So I switched to M1 0w40 will do a uoa of that when I put the 504 oil in.

Jeff


SM or SN?


Not sure was 5w40 euro ordered on amazon will see if I have any bottles left. It was bought this year.


So was mine. I ran the date code by them to find out, because they did the transition and retained the old bottles from what I was told.

Two VERY different formulas, the newer (SN) version, having the low-NOACK GTL base stocks, which is why I asked. As they should be MUCH less shear-prone than the Group III blend used previously.
 
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
Valvoline MST 5W-40 is available at many Walmarts. It's a low-SAPS German OEM oil.


Is it VW approved? My car is under warranty need to use an approved oil.

Jeff



Yes.

Also, why do we have a second thread that's rehashing the previous thread's four pages?


I think Jeff....... Wants to be the Leo Tolstoy of BITOG. He only has about 1000 more pages to generate BITOG's own version of War and Peace! :-). Tolstoy was partial to Castrol, however.
 
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I'm confused you try to get opinions to base a solid decision on an oil site and get slammed?

Next thing you will do is make fun of a guy in a wheel chair. Nice.

The PU 5w40 in quedtion I did a uoa on was SM not SN.

Jeff
 
Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
Valvoline MST 5W-40 is available at many Walmarts. It's a low-SAPS German OEM oil.


It's not OEM to Volkswagen Auto Group.

Castrol has the contract with VW for its oil needs.



Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
Valvoline MST 5W-40 is available at many Walmarts. It's a low-SAPS German OEM oil.


Is it VW approved? My car is under warranty need to use an approved oil.

Jeff


It has 502.00 cert from VW

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Since Ferrari supposedly uses PU 5w40 in their DI motors does this mean they may be prone to carbon deposits too?

I guess if you can afforda new ferrari you wouldn't be concerned about the cost to clean the valves ha ha

Jeff


In Europe, Shell is the OE supplier to Ferrari, including their F1 program and Ferrari's Scuderia vehicles.

Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: UG_Passat
VW 504/507 SAPS is .8 max.

If you don't have an oil burner like my Passat 2.0T is (still is), should be fine.

It is especially important if you want to keep your warranty to use a VW-spec oil.

Otherwise, Shell Rotella T6 has served me well... which has a SAPS of 1.0. About 100,000 miles is when I need to clean the intake.


So what is causing your car to burn oil? If you can't use a heavy 30w like most 504 and 502 oils are something is wrong. Most of the 40w 502 oils will shear to a 30w range anyway.

Your car doesn't burn any of the T6?

Jeff


Of course it does. It's also a relatively inexpensive oil and very robust additive package. even with 170,000 miles, I burn roughly 3/4 quart per 1000 miles, still below the threshold for oil burning problem.
 
Originally Posted By: pscholte
Originally Posted By: dparm
Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Originally Posted By: vinu_neuro
Valvoline MST 5W-40 is available at many Walmarts. It's a low-SAPS German OEM oil.


Is it VW approved? My car is under warranty need to use an approved oil.

Jeff



Yes.

Also, why do we have a second thread that's rehashing the previous thread's four pages?


I think Jeff....... Wants to be the Leo Tolstoy of BITOG. He only has about 1000 more pages to generate BITOG's own version of War and Peace! :-). Tolstoy was partial to Castrol, however.


LOL! I think Tolstoy preffered Smolenka, good ole Russian oil for military helicopters:)
 
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I'd love to know how LM is claiming A3/A3 A3/B4 for Top Tech 4200 5w30 with a TBN of 6.5, and I have similar misgivings about the PU Euro L. There's a reason a there are separate Mobil offerings, such as the Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30 and M1 0w-40. They aren't close to the same. So, why are the others claiming every spec under the sun? You can't be a low SAPS lube and claim full SAPS specifications at the same time.
 
Originally Posted By: OVERKILL
Two VERY different formulas, the newer (SN) version, having the low-NOACK GTL base stocks, which is why I asked. As they should be MUCH less shear-prone than the Group III blend used previously.

In my experience, even the old SM formula was very shear stable.

The problem in OP's case is his application: DI + turbo. That will result in more shearing, regardless of oil used.
 
Quattro Pete so do you think the M1 ESP 30w would shear like the PU Did?

I won't know how the 0w40 M1 held up until my next oil change. I will send in a sample.

Is the mid SAPS oil thing just hype? I was hoping it would help but if it's going to cause deposits anyway then I might as well keep the less expensive M1 0w40 in and change every 3-5k.

My theory was it was the oil choice that vw made is a contributing factor for their long oci here is the USA. Sacrificing the intake valves vs more frequent oil changes. Not enough study had been done on 504 oils with gas di motors here in the states. Some folks have posted some uoa's but not enough to base a conclusive answer if the 504 is actually "better" for the engine overall.


Jeff
 
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Originally Posted By: dparm
Who cares if it shears? VW knows that the oils will thin out a bit with service.


Because a 40w shearing to a 30w , one thing but 30w to a 20w?

I don't think that is the case with these particular 30w though they seem more shear stable than the 40's.

I guess I'm old school in way not realizing that oil is advancing like the engines.

I never had a car use oil in over 20 yrs but hearing the nightmare stories on the VW sites have made me paranoid. Is why I may be on the cautious side with this car. Some say the TSI is hit and miss on oil consumption which is not acceptable to me. So I'm just being overly cautious.


Jeff
 
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Originally Posted By: Jeffs2006EvoIX
Because a 40w shearing to a 30w , one thing but 30w to a 20w?

All VW 502/504 approved oils are either light 40-grade or heavy 30-grade, borderline 40. So even if that 30-grade oil shears a bit, it'll still be a 30-grade.

In any case, it's the HT/HS viscosity that's more important than the 100C kinematic viscosity.
 
Originally Posted By: Garak
I'd love to know how LM is claiming A3/A3 A3/B4 for Top Tech 4200 5w30 with a TBN of 6.5, and I have similar misgivings about the PU Euro L. There's a reason a there are separate Mobil offerings, such as the Mobil 1 ESP 5w-30 and M1 0w-40. They aren't close to the same. So, why are the others claiming every spec under the sun? You can't be a low SAPS lube and claim full SAPS specifications at the same time.


But they do. So that means the 504 oil is superior? Mmmmm

Jeff
 
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