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To preserve childhood memories for the kids, I would like to convert about 12, 6 hour VHS tapes to digital format for storage on my hardrive, and in the future create DVDs.
1. How much space will each 6 hour VHS tape take up on my hardrive?
2. do you have any recommendations, or products to stay away from, when choosing a device to convert analog to digital?
Thanking you for your responses in advance,
Steve
 
Originally Posted By: steve20
1. How much space will each 6 hour VHS tape take up on my hardrive?

Depends on the level of compression and encoder used. Assuming an average bit rate of around 1000 kbps, you're going to get about 450 MB for every hour of content.

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2. do you have any recommendations, or products to stay away from, when choosing a device to convert analog to digital?
Thanking you for your responses in advance,
Steve

Have a look here.

I used an ADS Tech box, but it was a long time ago. It was OK, not the best. There may be better device out there - I guess it just depends on how much you want to spend.
 
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I am working on the similar project right now. I bought Roxio Media Creator Suite 9 at Costco for $40 after rebate (list price $80). It has a USB dongle with AV inputs. VCR outputs just plug into it. I am capturing at a very high rate, and 6 hours comes out to about 6 gigs, IIRC.

I then create a DVD with menus, extras, etc, and compress signal as needed. I prefer to start with good , barely compressed capture and compress and encode it just once for the DVD.

My source file is on the second 20 GB hard drive that I use only to store captured video. Temporary directory for the DVD burn is created on the main drive.

Roxio allows me to create identical movies in PAL and NTSC, using the same DVD projects (menus, shorts, music, etc).

If you have a Canon printer, you can modify it and print on printable DVDs. Works great!
 
Be careful when encoding video, for two reasons:

1) The codec you use may or may not be around in 20 years when you want to view the videos. I archive videos from time to time using the Theora codec (as a .ogg file), which is open source.

2) You are introducing lossy artefacts into the video for the sake of saving space, which will be much less of a consideration in the coming few years.

I capture analog video all the time for the purposes of professional editing, and shoot to/ capture from MiniDV, which uses a fairly mild compression and uses ~13GB/ hour. Encoding down to a DVD MPEG stream will cut that down fractionally and still look very good, and afford you some measure of confidence that the codec required to decompress the stream ought to be around for a generation or so.

My advice is to get a reasonably priced Firewire based capture unit that will create files using the DV codec (~13GB/ hour). If you have space enough to hold that much data, I'd leave 'er as is for archival. If space is a consideration, though, I would use a DVD authoring program to create the files necessary to burn to DVD (they'll be .mpeg files, even if the file extension is not ".mpeg". You can play them in most media players.) at somewhere between 4 and 8mbps (megabits per second), depending on how much video you'd want to squeeze onto a DVD. Any lower than 4mbps and you may start to see loss in the video quality, and any more than 8mbps and you may run into compatibility issues with some DVD players. You can then burn the prepared DVD from your hard drive to a DVD using whatever software you wish, *and* you still have the prepared files on your computer for archival and computer viewing.
 
I did some work with this and still have some more to get to finish. I bought a Hauppauge PVR-150, it's an analog card with a hardware encoder, its output is in MPEG format which I then edit and burn DVD as necessary. I can also watch analog cable TV with this card on my computer (Ubuntu 8.04) as well as record to the hard drive for later viewing.

Cost of card was about $35 + shipping.
 
I also have the hauppauge PVR150 and it's an awesome quality card!! The MPEG2 codec will stick around, digital television runs on it, digital satellite too... and if DVDs (MPEG2) are supplanted by Blu-Ray, the discs will still fit, spin, and play in any new player that takes a 5 1/4 inch plastic circle.

I would burn a couple copies of every DVD and bury one set in the back yard, or put it in a safe deposit box or something. Home burnt DVDs tend to scratch or otherwise degrade as well... but unlike analog if you catch it in time and copy it, the counter is reset.

Get on this project ASAP, you'll be suprised how awful the tapes already look.

Agree with the low compression comment above; you can burn a 1 or 2 hour DVD and fill it up and it'll look great-- at least all the VHS has to offer. On a "regular" DVDR that's 4.5 GB.
 
Just FYI, recordable DVDs, CD-R, etc should not be subjected to bright sun. With factory disks image is pressed in the reflective layer, home burn disk rely on the laser, so a consistent exposure to bright light will eventually kill the recording.

I liked the Roxio 2009 suite because it gave me DVD creating tools that a TV-Tuner card would not, besides the USB A/V input.
I am sure that card works great, but if you want to do any kind of editing, you'll need to buy software anyway.

Hauppauge PVR-150 (which is an older card to begin with)is more than $35, BTW: http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000UU7TMM/ref=dp_olp_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1241809602&sr=8-1

I paid $40 (after rebate) for Roxio 2009 software/hardware, $36 for a fanless NVidia 7200 512 MB card (256 on board, plus it borrows 256 from main RAM, and I have 2 Gigs of it), that should satisfy my gaming requirements for a while. To each his own.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.asp...y=1&topnav=&s=1
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000RL5QRO
 
Originally Posted By: Ursae_Majoris
Hauppauge PVR-150 (which is an older card to begin with)is more than $35


I got mine on eBay for $34.99 + shipping IIRC back in Jan 09.
 
Why burn disks? HDD space is cheap. We digitized our entire VCR library (200-300 tapes) around 2003 and keep the entire collection on a backed-up NAS. It's easy enough to get the media to the TVs without a disk using a media player (MediaMVP, Tivo, Xbox, Sage, etc.), or to watch it on computers over the network. Networked TVs are gaining traction. That's the way to go unless you like indexing & storing stacks of disks. You can always burn DVD copies as needed.

At good quality (DVD-LP), expect around 1gb/hr for capture. Look for a card with hardware encoding (PVR-250/350) for trouble-free quality results. I agree - use a well established format, or you'll be suffering with a digital "betamax" problem in 10-15 years. MPEG-2 is fat, but established.

An editing program such as VideoReDo can also be very useful.
 
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