No it isn't. I agree that it is a great oil for the money(tri-syn is another story). However it is not the optimal choice for certain applications.
Very pleased with M1 during HPDE
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okay, after laughing for the past few minutes at the post that claimed that Formula 1 uses off the shelf Mobil 1, i can now respond. (i am joking. please dont take offence at this.)
As a certifiable F1 nut, over the years i have researched almost every aspect concerning the sport as well as the oil(s) used. Formula 1 teams DO NOT USE ANY OTC oils!! W/out a doubt they dont. the only oil tha ti have found that is most likely used in a previous Renault F1 engine is a special synthetic made by ELF called
HTX 833 15w40 and is a new technology synthetic motor oil for all 4-stroke engines.
They also sell various other oils like 0w-20,0w-30 and a 5w-30 for qualifying purposes only.
As for using OTC Mobil 1 15w-50, there is only one team that uses Mobil 1 and that the second highest funded F1 team -Team West-McLaren Mercedes (second to only Ferrari. Also, the FIA only mandates that the fuel used be that of comparable architecture to fuel sold to the public for road use. Oils however, are not so stringently governed.
Also, does anyone really think that these oils that the F1 teams use would also be manufactured for public use at the same time? Nah, i dont think so. way too many people using espionage in the industry to get a competitive edge.
Anyways, I just cant imagine Ron Dennis using an OTC Mobil 1 oil when his budget is 350m dollars a year.
[ June 20, 2003, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]
As a certifiable F1 nut, over the years i have researched almost every aspect concerning the sport as well as the oil(s) used. Formula 1 teams DO NOT USE ANY OTC oils!! W/out a doubt they dont. the only oil tha ti have found that is most likely used in a previous Renault F1 engine is a special synthetic made by ELF called
HTX 833 15w40 and is a new technology synthetic motor oil for all 4-stroke engines.
They also sell various other oils like 0w-20,0w-30 and a 5w-30 for qualifying purposes only.
As for using OTC Mobil 1 15w-50, there is only one team that uses Mobil 1 and that the second highest funded F1 team -Team West-McLaren Mercedes (second to only Ferrari. Also, the FIA only mandates that the fuel used be that of comparable architecture to fuel sold to the public for road use. Oils however, are not so stringently governed.
Also, does anyone really think that these oils that the F1 teams use would also be manufactured for public use at the same time? Nah, i dont think so. way too many people using espionage in the industry to get a competitive edge.
Anyways, I just cant imagine Ron Dennis using an OTC Mobil 1 oil when his budget is 350m dollars a year.
[ June 20, 2003, 11:56 PM: Message edited by: BOBISTHEOILGUY ]
More likely due to the pump pickup being uncovered during high-G cornering with the engine at high RPM. Anybody who's serious about SOLO type racing in their street car would do well to consider an oil accumulator (Moroso is one company that makes them) to maintain oil pressure even if the pickup is momentarily uncovered. It's cheaper and simpler than fitting a road-race pan with baffles and swinging gates. And dang near free compared to dry-sumping it.
I can't argue about what oils they use in F1 because honestly, I don't know. You really can't say because 3 cars had bearing problems were caused by Mobil 1. Here is why: They might not have been using the right grade and more importantly, Mobil 1 is by far more popular then these other micro, small market brand oils. So statistcially if Mobil 1 is used by 70% (just a guess) of the racing community, then they will have a greater chance of having more problems that could have occured with any oil. I would also say that Redline should be better for racing based on specs., and it might be. We have seen so far that for street use, M1 does as good as the others.
BTW, BMW does make a rock solid car, but they break just like any brand. GM is way behind in my opinon on design and interior quality. Take a look at some of there cars....plastic junk! The Pontiac Aztec? What friggin disgrace. Too many car divisions. Oldmobile, Pontiac and maybe another should go.
[ June 16, 2003, 04:58 PM: Message edited by: buster ]
FWIW
Many of our race teams do use our special formulated 15W50 motor oil and many others use Mobil1 15W50 right off the shelf.
Subj: Re: Mobil1 product Technical question
Date: 6/16/2003 2:55:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
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Many of our race teams do use our special formulated 15W50 motor oil and many others use Mobil1 15W50 right off the shelf.
Subj: Re: Mobil1 product Technical question
Date: 6/16/2003 2:55:00 PM Pacific Standard Time
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I was there when it happened. Right in the paddock, we put in an extra qt over max just to make sure there will be no starvation. He put a lot of track miles on that motor, and I have race with him before. We always add extra oil. Also it's a stock motor and guess it was not up to the task of being in the redline for 20 mins at a time. Hi is going to put Amsoil in there after the rebuild.
Leo
Must be good for us private citizens who do it for fun. I mean 15w50 is a very thick oil. It's got racing all over the bottle. You have to figure when it's going to shear down, there will still be enough film there for protection. They did blend it for racing and muscle cars. Doubt it will be good for F1 900hp at 15000rpms. If those cars can finish a race without engine problems, the oil did it's work, and the engineers who built it did their work.
Leo
I hate to tell you this, but the machining process that goes to building assembly line engines are all the same. Engine for engine there is no difference. Chasis engineering is another story. GM is very poor there I agree except for the Corvette.quote:
Originally posted by tenderloin:
A fellow Camaro enthusiast just spun a bearing using 10w40 Mobile 1.
I say put the blame where it belongs. Friggin GM junk
Leo
Originally posted by tenderloin:
A fellow Camaro enthusiast just spun a bearing using 10w40 Mobile 1.
I say put the blame where it belongs. Friggin GM junk
Just joking on the GM junk comment
A fellow Camaro enthusiast just spun a bearing using 10w40 Mobile 1.
I say put the blame where it belongs. Friggin GM junk
Just joking on the GM junk comment
Glad you cleared that up. BMW IS junk. I see the light.
But I wasn't refering to that short run of affected M3s, or any E46 M3.
By the way only 5mo of production were affected and BMW is fixing every last one:
http://yoy.com/auto/m3_images/recall_notice.jpg
You think GM would provide that kind of service?
But I wasn't refering to that short run of affected M3s, or any E46 M3.
By the way only 5mo of production were affected and BMW is fixing every last one:
http://yoy.com/auto/m3_images/recall_notice.jpg
You think GM would provide that kind of service?
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Nope. As much as I love GM cars, they suck as a company. They've been producing a lot of oil burning and piston slapping vehicles for years and don't seem to think it's a problem, they just keep telling their customers it's normal. Well if it's normal, they're going to lose a lot of future customers that's for sure.
BMW makes some rock solid vehicles. My dad owned an 88 325is from 1988 to 1991 and even when he had 60k on it at the end, it still felt as solid as when it was new. The doors still closed with that trademark solid feel, and there were no major problems with it at all.
It was my bearing that spun. It was Mobil1 10W30 not 40 in the car at the time. The mechanic said he thought it was the combination of 63K miles and the stock torque to yeild rod bolt streching under lots of high rpm use. I think I did 20+ track days in the last year. PedalToTheMetal can tell you I don't baby the car.
The new motor will have ARP bolts and studs.
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And a good oilpan I hope??
Actually I know of no aftermarket pans available for the LS1/LS6 other than dry sump. My budget can't take another $2K. The oil pump is being upgraded to a ported LS6 one and I do hope to add a accusump, remote filter and cooler at some point soon. That in it's self is likely to be close to a grand.
The stock pan is not that bad thou as it does have a nice windage tray.
Mike
Patman
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I don't think the LS1/LS6s need any aftermarket oil pan at all. Those that road race and autocross simply add an extra quart of oil to prevent starvation during hard cornering.
The extra quart does not cause problems????????
Cranks love to beat air into oil......good for oiling
Cranks love to beat air into oil......good for oiling
Patman
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Nope, the extra quart doesn't hurt things at all, even GM engineers recommend it. I believe the video which comes with every new Corvette actually suggests to it's owners that they should add the extra quart when racing.quote:
Originally posted by tenderloin:
The extra quart does not cause problems????????
Cranks love to beat air into oil......good for oiling
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