Vegetable oil as a crankcase additive?

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We're getting off the topic by discussing waste oils, but the bottom line is:

Unless the the seed oil has had it's chemistry modified or it's fatty acids have been reacted with methylated componenets (as per Labman), it would NOT be suitable in the engine.

The almighty also gave us chemistry!
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Unless the the seed oil has had it's chemistry modified or it's fatty acids have been reacted with methylated componenets (as per Labman), it would NOT be suitable in the engine.

Yes, that's exactly what I plan on doing.
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I also believe that I've mentioned Renewable Lubricants in the past...no new news there.

I've also used their products in 15w40 HDEO and 5w30 PCMO varieties, with typical results. I just am fickle as my wife would say and love to change things as many times as an engineer loves to change cars!!!
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Seed oil is not going to clean an engine of sludge and even a methyl ester will not do much since any cleaning will be negated by the Methyl ester laying down its own sludge "I know of this trust me"

if you want anything cheap try a quart per sump of a Mineral spirits or diesel or better yet use a cheap branded PCMO and change it every 1K or so.
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Also veg oil has a very very high aniline point which is the mesurement of "solubility" of stuff like oils and additives which means veg oil will not disolve much at all, veg oil is only good as a bio diesel or in cooking sorry.
bruce
 
Veg oils do thicken after they have been in air. I use it to lube my reloadind dies it works great, I have to clean them (dies + sized brass) good after wards or they get gummy feeling.
 
Bruce381, explain to me how methyl esters lay down its own sludge?
I haven't seen any biodiesel with its own sludge. I think you have a quality or storage issue with the supply of B100 that you were using.

I haven't seen the so called self-sludging when used in "parts washers", during engine flushes, or when using biodiesel as a fuel in diesel vehicles. Actually, I find that it works superbly as a solvent and flush.

And, for anyone who ever had to use pumice/lanolin after a day getting greasy/dirty in the garage, try rinsing with vegetable oil and some paper towels. Let me know what the unsuitable unsoluble uncleaning vegetable oil can do for those greasy/oily/dirty shop hands.
 
Methyl soyate or methyl lardate or methyl oleate WILL oxidize and from sludge/varnish IN a hot engine environment I'm not talking about part cleaners or hand cleaners they may work wellat that.

This is based on industral grade esters used in both cutting and lube oils they are not very stabile at engine temp in fact for less sludge and a good lubricant try a winter strained lard oil but all of them make lousy dispersants there are much better things to use to clean a dirty engine try Dioctyl adiapte.

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"And, for anyone who ever had to use pumice/lanolin after a day getting greasy/dirty in the garage, try rinsing with vegetable oil and some paper towels. Let me know what the unsuitable unsoluble uncleaning vegetable oil can do for those greasy/oily/dirty shop hands"

Try baby oil next time works better.
bruce
 
Baby oil works well. But, it is a MINERAL oil and not enviromentally conscious enough for some people. Also, it makes you smell cute.

This thread isn't about longterm usage of anything.

Noone is talking about running biodiesel in the crankcase longterm or even in a hot engine. FLUSH! 5-10 minutes and it'll do a lot of cleaning before your cold engine warms up.
Well, what did I expect when sludge seems to be everyones' problem in the additive section.
Lets not exaggerate problems caused by inappropriate usage time intervals, whether it be biodiesel as a flush, vegetable oil as a lubricant.........We have people running mineral and synthetic oils until sludge builds up too.
 
Rapeseed oil which is also commonly known now as Canola oil has been used as a lubricant for a long time. It was used as an industial lubricant in steam engines and marine applications because of it's tendancy to cling to metal in wet or moist conditions.

It's made from a seed from a cultivated plant that is pressed to extract the oil just like corn oil and soybean oil. The interesting thing about it is that it's a renewable source of oil and possibly fuel and it's biodegradeable. It's relatively non toxic compared to mineral based motor oils although I wouldn't use it in cooking personally.

Cost of production historically has been higher than for mineral based oils and so it hasn't been competitive financially compared to mineral based oil. Maybe now that the cost of mineral based oil is rising, more research into vegetable oils like soy and rapeseed and their modification into suitable lubricants will increase?

Research has been conducted to evaluate rapeseed oil for use as a stable lubricant/base stock oil as a replacement for mineral based oils and as a diesel fuel alternative. It has also been used in biodiesel.

It's quite thin and would need to be chemically modified or need additives to increase viscosity and additives to reduce oxidative degradation if it was ever to be widely used as a motor oil.

At the operating temperature of a gasoline engine it probably would not congeal or thicken significantly in a short period of time, but because it clings to metal surfaces, a residue could possibly linger in the engine which could eventually turn to sludge, but the small amount that would be left behind after a flush would probably be minimal.

Here is an interesting little article about different non mineral oils web page
and here's another one web page

[ November 07, 2005, 12:50 PM: Message edited by: stogiedude ]
 
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