Valvoline Synpower 10W-30, 2002 Camaro V6 - 5000mi

[Dominic]

Here is an image of my recent oil analysis. I was still using a supertech filter on this analysis, E-Core, and it seemed to do fine. I think it turned out fabulous. I've been running Maxlife, but this is Synpower and I went a longer OCI this time too. I'm so happy. I will post the image and then some of the details below...

TBN = 2.6
E-Core Filter (SuperTech PF52 long filter)
FRAM Air Filter (looks like it worked great)
50% highway, 50% hard city driving. Lots of highspeed driving on the interstate during the highway runs.

All previous analysis was done on Valvoline Maxlife 10W-30
I think this report is MUCH better, and it's very encouraging! You guys can chime in now. Also, if anyone can help me use the code feature I'd like to learn how. I know html but I see it's turned off.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

That's a weak dose of calcium for synthetic oil. But all that matters is a good UOA.

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[Dominic]

Lol its so boring nobody cares. Well I think its a good report considering how hard I drive, and yes the calcium is lower than in maxlife but the wear is great.

 

[Triple_Se7en]

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Lol its so boring nobody cares. Well I think its a good report considering how hard I drive, and yes the calcium is lower than in maxlife but the wear is great.

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I think Quaker State dino has a stronger add-pack than that. Boring because no one wants to spend that kind of money - when Supertech synthetic, QPower or Platinum deliver the same or better UOAs for at least $1.50 per quart less.

 

[cruiser41]

I believe that from 0-5000 miles, dyno is just as good. besides; synthetics are thinner, and make your engine noiser.

 

[AndyH]

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... synthetics are thinner, and make your engine noiser.

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LOL, you're kidding...right?

 

[Dominic]

Excuse me guys but this synthetic stayed in grade, ran well, and I want something that is beyond "adequete" for my driving style. Just because my tires might last 50k miles to the cords doesn't mean I don't like replacing them at 30k to keep myself safe

. Same for oil, it's great seeing this oil is robust enough to handle the GM OLM (which for my car max's @ 7500 miles per oil change)

 

[Rob Taggs]

Dominic, You got to understand that its the IN THING to run your oil till it is almost maxed out on this site. To do otherwise your thought of as being strange. I'm on your side. It's your money and you spend it how you please.

 

[Mystic]

I don't think I would use Valvoline Synpower but I agree that a person who owns their own vehicle and is paying for their own motor oil should have the right to decide at what mileage and at what time intervals they change the oil in their own vehicle. It is almost like some people are in a contest to see how far they can push the motor oil in their vehicles. Last time I checked Amsoil is supposed to be changed once a year. So if a person drives only 12,000 miles a year and not 25,000 or 35,000 are they supposed to go 2-3 years so they can achieve the mileage?

Do you get a gold ribbon if you can drive your car or truck 50,000 miles on one oil change? There are people out there who take very little care of their vehicles who deserve that prize. Where do they pick up their prizes?

Maybe some of these people who want to go so far with their oil changes should get those special bypass oil filters that are supposed to let you drive very far on one oil change and then we can have a contest to see who can drive their car or truck 100,000 miles on one oil change.

I personally like to use synthetic oil in the wintertime (because of cold flow characteristics) and conventional oil the rest of the year changed every 3 months or 3000 miles. In my manual it says that a car driven under severe conditions (if you read the fine print just about every car or truck qualifies) needs to have the oil changed every 3000 miles or 3 months. Maybe Saturn has some clue about car maintenance.

It seems to me that if somebody drives 15,000 miles and 1 year using Amsoil motor oil they probably have gotten their money worth. That would be 4 oil changes using conventional motor oil.

 

[dave1251]

HUH???

 

[AndyH]

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Last time I checked Amsoil is supposed to be changed once a year. So if a person drives only 12,000 miles a year and not 25,000 or 35,000 are they supposed to go 2-3 years so they can achieve the mileage?

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No, under those circumstances the oil is to be changed out after 1 year.

 

[lobo11]

Where is the moly in your Maxlife analysis--this strikes me as strange as usually Maxlife has a boatload--was this Maxlife from a stash purchased some years ago--especially from the 2005 sample??? I would think a newer Maxlife formula might shouw better nubers since your wear numbers went down with the increase in Moly and a drop in Calcium & Zinc. The newer ML I think averages over 200ppm of Moly if I recall correctly--thoughts from anyone??

 

[tmorris1]

Why is it that whenever there is a good Valvoline UOA that someone tries to find a reason not to use it? Everyone say that Valvoline doesn't have enough of this or that, but they usually show good UOAs.

 

[INDYMAC]

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Where is the moly in your Maxlife analysis--this strikes me as strange as usually Maxlife has a boatload--was this Maxlife from a stash purchased some years ago--especially from the 2005 sample??? I would think a newer Maxlife formula might shouw better nubers since your wear numbers went down with the increase in Moly and a drop in Calcium & Zinc. The newer ML I think averages over 200ppm of Moly if I recall correctly--thoughts from anyone??

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I agree.
Dominic, did you change the oil yourself on all these OCI's, or at least witness the tech pouring ML into your Camaro? This certainly doesn't jive with any other ML UOA that I've seen as far as additives go (SL rated). Very suspicious...

 

[Dominic]

Those were all SL-rated Maxlife samples, the last being a 10W-40 with the #@$%!-a$$ wear numbers.

I do 100% of my maintenance including oil changes, nobody touched it but me, and it all came out of 5-qt jug bottles. Where is the moly in the ML? I don't know. Almost 50ppm in the Synpower though.

I don't care if there is a boatload of moly or not, if my wear numbers are low and the engine runs quiet then that's enough for me. Also, I change my oil at 5000mi because that works out to 6mo and I do a LOT of city driving with 2mi runs to school and 4mi runs to the grocery store where the oil never even gets above 140F. This report to me is stellar.

 

[lobo11]

I have no problem with Valvoline and would gladly use Synpower myself if Pennzoil would stop giving away PP. By all means continue using, I was just trying to point out that your car really seemed to like the extra Moly. If Moly is the answer to your lower wear numbers you could try Maxlife Synthetic which is more than likely just a beefier Synpower regardless. Just trying to be helpful with an observation on the trend of higher moly lower wear. I re-read my post and cannot see where I bash Valvoline/Valvoline Synpower.

 

[D Bone]

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Why is it that whenever there is a good Valvoline UOA that someone tries to find a reason not to use it? Everyone say that Valvoline doesn't have enough of this or that, but they usually show good UOAs.

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Because a lot of the SHEEP on this site like to jump off the cliff because it's the "popular" thing to do.

I can't tell you how sick I am of reading a good Valvoline UOA, and then reading some clowns post on "How the Valvo sure has a lame additive pack" or "Any dino would have done the same as the Synpower" or "Havoline would have done much better then the Valvoline Conventional."

If you don't have something SMART to say, don't say anything at all.



Darryl

 

[Gary Allan]

Yes, the proof of the pudding is in the eating. You got your desired numbers ..the fp was good .. the visc was good the fuel was good ..the insolubles were good ..the air filtration was good.. as was the TBN ..

..and the rest is just "also ran"

 

[Dominic]

haha also ran - thanks guys

Hey Gary, when are we gonna get some snow? Im bored with *cold*

 

[Triple_Se7en]

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Because a lot of the SHEEP on this site like to jump off the cliff because it's the "popular" thing to do.

I can't tell you how sick I am of reading a good Valvoline UOA, and then reading some clowns post on "How the Valvo sure has a lame additive pack" or "Any dino would have done the same as the Synpower" or "Havoline would have done much better then the Valvoline Conventional."

If you don't have something SMART to say, don't say anything at all.

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DBone

I have 10 quarts of Valvoline Synthetic Maxlife that I'm about to use. When I stated that it doesn't have a good add-pack like most others, I wasn't lying. However, that's not going to stop me from using my "free" 10 quarts of Maxlife Synthetic.

Would I pay close to (or) regular price for it... no! Most here feel the same way - otherwise this place would have 2-4 times the number of threads on this brand of oil.

So I'm not alone... neither is the "clown" or "sheep" in me. BTW...I would appreciate if you stop degrading posters here at BITOG. Many of us "clowns/sheep" are smarter than what you may think. The evidence is all throughout the threads/posts here at BITOG.