Valvoline Restore & Protect 5w-30 (Gonna Take a Chance)
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Does HPL clean ring deposits?
Maybe just use Rislone added to oil versus the new Valvoline ? Rislone appears to have a fair amount of esters added to it for cleaning oil deposits .
I did buy some to add to a successful ring flush on ‘17 Audi Q3, but the owner never showed back up.
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That's where we are assuming the deposits HPL is liberating and putting in oil filters are coming from.
Are there engine test results somewhere that shows increased moly statistically changes the engine performance (wear or mileage)? Just wondering, because we’ve seen plenty of UOAs where the user goes from a low/zero moly formula to one with a couple hundred PPM, and wear metals are either not changed at all, or are within the standard deviation of measurement accuracy (I.e. noise).
We all know moly has significant friction reduction capabilities in the lab, but the only way to prove this would be full teardowns on engines measured during assembly and after the test. If you’ve got some references for this that would be awesome.
That still doesn’t mean that their new product, isn’t significant- just because they don’t have the volume of sales that others do.
Instead of touting a new product that could be a game changer, the product is defeated before it can even reach a engine.
I guess that BITOG life….
What would be game changing about this product?
It’s another PCEO, using adnoc base oils and Afton additives. Nothing any blender couldn’t go produce right now, assuming they have a Vertex contract and an Afton contract.
It’s an absolutely fine product. But, what exactly would be game changing about it?
Valvoline is making the claim that no other motor oil can clean pistons back to factory clean levels. 100% removal. They specifically state no other motor oil can do this. I'm guessing that is limited to the off the shelf products.
HPL and Amsoil SS likely can. HPL uses AN's and they clean exceptionally well from what I've read. Amsoil tech services said Amsoil SS has high solvency and can clean deposits. To what degree no one knows.
Most of the current synthetics use little ester and take a dry approach (preventing deposits) vs high solvency and cleaning.
https://www.valvolineglobal.com/en/... Protect is the,% of engine-killing deposits.
It could be some contract/agreement between Valvoline and whatever additive supplier came up with it.
Read the fine print. It’s typical Valvoline marketing.
“Up to 100% piston deposit removal.”
It doesn’t say 100% piston deposit removal. It says up to, 100% because of course you can’t go over 100%. So it could be 1%. It could be .002% deposit removal. It could be 10% deposit removal.
It doesn’t say how much, it actually will do. Just up to 100%… because you can’t remove more than 100%.
They’re saying words, that legally mean nothing. “Exceeds GF6 and API SP” - Yeah, they’re minimum standards primarily. So… I would hope you exceed them with a full synthetic. Again, a nothing statement.
“First and only motor oil in market that cleans and protects.” - I take “in market” meaning, in marketing. We all know it’s not the only motor oil that cleans and protects. That’s the idea of a DI package after all. They just named it this. Then, follow up with their small print. Which, I already covered.
I’m sure it’s an absolutely fine, in spec product. Valvoline doesn’t make off spec, poop products. But it’s the typical Valvoline marketing. Whole bunch of statements that, aren’t backed up in any meaningful way. “300% more protection!” …. Compared to… what?
Where do they specifically make this claim that no other motor oil can do this?
For whatever reason (likely cost), other large brands are not making a similar product across different viscosities with similar claims.
Yes there are a few flavors of M1 that might could make the claim, but they do not widely advertise it as so.
And yes, in theory they could all produce a similar product, but choose not to.
It is game changing if it is widely available at a reasonable price versus the boutique oils which certainly could match or exceed the performance.
Please see my follow up post.
In this video they mention how most oils clean by just capturing carbon, they don't clean. And that is actually true. Also, there is a guy that worked for Cummins on another forum (GM Truck forum I frequently visit) that said this is different and he thinks it is a breakthrough. He was very familiar with the original PBR. This is different.
"results no other motor could produce"
"results no other motor could produce"
That video, still, legally says nothing.
Once they say "Up to 100% of deposits" - it goes out the window. Because it could literally mean 0% deposits removed, depending on what other oil you're using.
It's comparison that it goes through, doesn't show what it's comparing to. What oil is leaving deposits like that?
Then the 'protects 79% better than industry standards" - Okay... what test? How?
Again, I'm sure it's a perfectly fine product. But I also don't believe for a second it's a 'game changer.' It's marketing, at the end of the video they were showing service writers why they should buy it, because of this marketing. They want installers to upsell it, the marketing is designed to bring back repeat customers.... as that's the installer game...
Statistics 101.
My entire point is treat oil marketing with skepticism. Everyone does it.
"Mobil 1 Advanced Fuel Economy - increase engine efficiency and improve fuel economy!"
"Kendall MAX Motor oil, with LIQUITEK - designed for EXCELLENT protection!"
"Pennzoil ULTRA Platinum - Keeps pistons up to 65% Cleaner!"
"Rotella GAS Truck - Extreme protection for towing and hauling!"
Anyone remember the Quaker State 4x4 oil? Specialty oil developed specially for your 4x4!
Yup...
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