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Originally Posted By: PRND3L
Geo posted his OPINION based on his experience. BiU characterized Geo's opinion as "non-factual". So what you are saying Bill is that nobody should post their opinions based on their experiences on this board any more? Nice.
After all I've typed for you to come up with that never mind.
You don't get what I'm saying and I'm NOT going to continue with this back and forth typing the same thing over and over.
If you want to REREAD the thread and all the comments then I think (hope) you'll understand.
I'll ignore the sarcastic remark.
Bill
Geo posted his OPINION based on his experience. BiU characterized Geo's opinion as "non-factual". So what you are saying Bill is that nobody should post their opinions based on their experiences on this board any more? Nice.
After all I've typed for you to come up with that never mind.
You don't get what I'm saying and I'm NOT going to continue with this back and forth typing the same thing over and over.
If you want to REREAD the thread and all the comments then I think (hope) you'll understand.
I'll ignore the sarcastic remark.
Bill
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Bill, I will respond via PM when I get home tonight. It's hard responding on an iPhone! Plus I do not want this thread to get off topic over the original post. Cool?
Originally Posted By: Tim H.
Bill, I will respond via PM when I get home tonight. It's hard responding on an iPhone! Plus I do not want this thread to get off topic over the original post. Cool?
After playing with a co-workers Iphone you guys who use those are much better than I...
No problem! Bill
Bill, I will respond via PM when I get home tonight. It's hard responding on an iPhone! Plus I do not want this thread to get off topic over the original post. Cool?
After playing with a co-workers Iphone you guys who use those are much better than I...
No problem! Bill
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
The people have issues with Bosch are usually the ones who are going to have issues with most anything. We see those members post all the time. Everything is a drama for them.
No, not at all.It is possible that you might have this stereotype.I just wanted to share my experience for people who have Corollas (or any Japanese cars) who might want to try Bosch Platinum 4 spark plugs, people who might read and change their minds.
There is no need to look for or create a drama here.
The people have issues with Bosch are usually the ones who are going to have issues with most anything. We see those members post all the time. Everything is a drama for them.
No, not at all.It is possible that you might have this stereotype.I just wanted to share my experience for people who have Corollas (or any Japanese cars) who might want to try Bosch Platinum 4 spark plugs, people who might read and change their minds.
There is no need to look for or create a drama here.
Hi everyone,
First in reply to the original post, If you have cat code, I would replace the front o2 sensor and not the rear or both. Your cat eff. is monitored by your pre and post o2, the computer checks to see if the post o2 is following the pre o2, meaning no cat operation. If you replace the pre cat o2 sensor, it may be fast enough that you will not get a cat code. More than likely though you will need a cat.
On the Bosch plug thing, the four tipped plugs and the platinum bosch plugs should not be put in cars they were not designed for. So many see adds that the plug is better and spend top dollar for it. Often at work cars come in with a slight running problem, we put the igntion system on the lab scope and right away you know there are one of those two products in the car. The burn time and the KV just aren't there. We take them out put in the correct plug and all the problems dissapear. This is not my opinion this is what I see on a regular basis.
First in reply to the original post, If you have cat code, I would replace the front o2 sensor and not the rear or both. Your cat eff. is monitored by your pre and post o2, the computer checks to see if the post o2 is following the pre o2, meaning no cat operation. If you replace the pre cat o2 sensor, it may be fast enough that you will not get a cat code. More than likely though you will need a cat.
On the Bosch plug thing, the four tipped plugs and the platinum bosch plugs should not be put in cars they were not designed for. So many see adds that the plug is better and spend top dollar for it. Often at work cars come in with a slight running problem, we put the igntion system on the lab scope and right away you know there are one of those two products in the car. The burn time and the KV just aren't there. We take them out put in the correct plug and all the problems dissapear. This is not my opinion this is what I see on a regular basis.
The bosch platinum plugs are designed for (roughly) y2k and newer cars but the geniuses declared they "also fit" everything older that originally took regular old copper resistor plugs. Since parts stores and especially (egads) walmart want to stock fewer part numbers, the universal platinums wind up getting recommended even if they are, say, a heat range off.
I had to special order some copper plugs for a saturn (they were on sale at AA), a car that sold more than 300k units in its year of manufacture. Fans of old beemers and benzes are scouring the world for some discontinued new old stock bosch, IIRC, W9DC... IDK if sensibly or not.
I had to special order some copper plugs for a saturn (they were on sale at AA), a car that sold more than 300k units in its year of manufacture. Fans of old beemers and benzes are scouring the world for some discontinued new old stock bosch, IIRC, W9DC... IDK if sensibly or not.
Considering the HUGE amount of automotive product that Bosch produces it is no surprise that the occasional defective part escapes the QC folks.....same goes for all other major producers..as well. But I would say that Bosch probably produces WAY more parts than any other supplier in the related business.
It's tough being the leader. All the peons are constantly trying to dethrone you....LOL
It's tough being the leader. All the peons are constantly trying to dethrone you....LOL
Originally Posted By: Vizzy
...it is probably the work of stealth marketing hacks ...
My naive self is coming to realise this is a huge problem on many internet forums... ...
...it is probably the work of stealth marketing hacks ...
My naive self is coming to realise this is a huge problem on many internet forums... ...
Originally Posted By: ItsuMitsubishi
Originally Posted By: Vizzy
...it is probably the work of stealth marketing hacks ...
My naive self is coming to realise this is a huge problem on many internet forums... ...
Stealth marketing IS very effective...for some reason most folks can't grasp that it's possible that people posing as ordinary forum members just might have an agenda other than being a car enthusiast.
You ALWAYS have to be discerning about what you will believe on ANY forum such as this.
Originally Posted By: Vizzy
...it is probably the work of stealth marketing hacks ...
My naive self is coming to realise this is a huge problem on many internet forums... ...
Stealth marketing IS very effective...for some reason most folks can't grasp that it's possible that people posing as ordinary forum members just might have an agenda other than being a car enthusiast.
You ALWAYS have to be discerning about what you will believe on ANY forum such as this.
That's for sure.
I was surprised to see that the OE wideband O2 sensors on my Infiniti were Bosch. When I ordered replacements I was torn between NTK and Denso figuring that one of them was the original sensor - I never would have expected to find German O2 sensors in a Nissan.
But I was also surprised when we had to replace the AC compressor on our Audi that it was a denso compressor. Go figure.
I was surprised to see that the OE wideband O2 sensors on my Infiniti were Bosch. When I ordered replacements I was torn between NTK and Denso figuring that one of them was the original sensor - I never would have expected to find German O2 sensors in a Nissan.
But I was also surprised when we had to replace the AC compressor on our Audi that it was a denso compressor. Go figure.
I have Bosch O2 & AF sensors in my wifes Lexus with no issues to date. Can't be much worst than the Denso Factory Sensors that were in the vehicle. The Denso's didn't last very long IMHO!
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
I have Bosch O2 & AF sensors in my wifes Lexus with no issues to date. Can't be much worst than the Denso Factory Sensors that were in the vehicle. The Denso's didn't last very long IMHO!
Must have been a bad batch from Denso because everything Denso and NGK I have used has been top notch and lasted a long time.
I have Bosch O2 & AF sensors in my wifes Lexus with no issues to date. Can't be much worst than the Denso Factory Sensors that were in the vehicle. The Denso's didn't last very long IMHO!
Must have been a bad batch from Denso because everything Denso and NGK I have used has been top notch and lasted a long time.
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
The people have issues with Bosch are usually the ones who are going to have issues with most anything. We see those members post all the time. Everything is a drama for them.
No, not at all.It is possible that you might have this stereotype.I just wanted to share my experience for people who have Corollas (or any Japanese cars) who might want to try Bosch Platinum 4 spark plugs, people who might read and change their minds.
There is no need to look for or create a drama here.
Your experience is duly noted, respected, and in no way questioned. Where I do see a problem is that it seems that you're extending your conclusion about Bosch auto products far beyond what your evidence/experience would support. By all means, don't again use the parts that gave you a problem. But you should note the successes others have experienced too.
You should consider trying some Bosch Icon wipers. The set on my Camry is two years old, and apart from one streaking spot caused by a break in the glass (i.e. not the blade's fault) they are still fantastic. Notice now, and this is key, I'm NOT going to declare that everything Bosch is wonderful because I'm having a great experience with their wiper blades. In like fashion, you should not condemn them across the board because of your limited experience with their products.
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
The people have issues with Bosch are usually the ones who are going to have issues with most anything. We see those members post all the time. Everything is a drama for them.
No, not at all.It is possible that you might have this stereotype.I just wanted to share my experience for people who have Corollas (or any Japanese cars) who might want to try Bosch Platinum 4 spark plugs, people who might read and change their minds.
There is no need to look for or create a drama here.
Your experience is duly noted, respected, and in no way questioned. Where I do see a problem is that it seems that you're extending your conclusion about Bosch auto products far beyond what your evidence/experience would support. By all means, don't again use the parts that gave you a problem. But you should note the successes others have experienced too.
You should consider trying some Bosch Icon wipers. The set on my Camry is two years old, and apart from one streaking spot caused by a break in the glass (i.e. not the blade's fault) they are still fantastic. Notice now, and this is key, I'm NOT going to declare that everything Bosch is wonderful because I'm having a great experience with their wiper blades. In like fashion, you should not condemn them across the board because of your limited experience with their products.
Originally Posted By: ekpolk
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
The people have issues with Bosch are usually the ones who are going to have issues with most anything. We see those members post all the time. Everything is a drama for them.
No, not at all.It is possible that you might have this stereotype.I just wanted to share my experience for people who have Corollas (or any Japanese cars) who might want to try Bosch Platinum 4 spark plugs, people who might read and change their minds.
There is no need to look for or create a drama here.
Your experience is duly noted, respected, and in no way questioned. Where I do see a problem is that it seems that you're extending your conclusion about Bosch auto products far beyond what your evidence/experience would support. By all means, don't again use the parts that gave you a problem. But you should note the successes others have experienced too.
You should consider trying some Bosch Icon wipers. The set on my Camry is two years old, and apart from one streaking spot caused by a break in the glass (i.e. not the blade's fault) they are still fantastic. Notice now, and this is key, I'm NOT going to declare that everything Bosch is wonderful because I'm having a great experience with their wiper blades. In like fashion, you should not condemn them across the board because of your limited experience with their products.
My O2 sensor is made by Bosch, my wipers are made by Bosch (Evolution).I like the wipers a lot and O2 sensor is working well.But Bosch Platinum 4 spark plugs for my car (correct part number) did not work, 15MPG on Bosch vs 35 MPG on NGK.Must be a mistake of Bosch parts interchange info.
If the moderator Bill in Utah had not deleted one of my posts, you would have read I like Bosch appliances too.
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
Originally Posted By: Bill in Utah
The people have issues with Bosch are usually the ones who are going to have issues with most anything. We see those members post all the time. Everything is a drama for them.
No, not at all.It is possible that you might have this stereotype.I just wanted to share my experience for people who have Corollas (or any Japanese cars) who might want to try Bosch Platinum 4 spark plugs, people who might read and change their minds.
There is no need to look for or create a drama here.
Your experience is duly noted, respected, and in no way questioned. Where I do see a problem is that it seems that you're extending your conclusion about Bosch auto products far beyond what your evidence/experience would support. By all means, don't again use the parts that gave you a problem. But you should note the successes others have experienced too.
You should consider trying some Bosch Icon wipers. The set on my Camry is two years old, and apart from one streaking spot caused by a break in the glass (i.e. not the blade's fault) they are still fantastic. Notice now, and this is key, I'm NOT going to declare that everything Bosch is wonderful because I'm having a great experience with their wiper blades. In like fashion, you should not condemn them across the board because of your limited experience with their products.
My O2 sensor is made by Bosch, my wipers are made by Bosch (Evolution).I like the wipers a lot and O2 sensor is working well.But Bosch Platinum 4 spark plugs for my car (correct part number) did not work, 15MPG on Bosch vs 35 MPG on NGK.Must be a mistake of Bosch parts interchange info.
If the moderator Bill in Utah had not deleted one of my posts, you would have read I like Bosch appliances too.
Originally Posted By: StevieC
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
I have Bosch O2 & AF sensors in my wifes Lexus with no issues to date. Can't be much worst than the Denso Factory Sensors that were in the vehicle. The Denso's didn't last very long IMHO!
Must have been a bad batch from Denso because everything Denso and NGK I have used has been top notch and lasted a long time.
Yeah, must have been a real long list of batches since these sensors are the first thing that appear on the first generation Lexus RX trouble spots when looking up the reliability data online. A/F and O2 sensors.
Originally Posted By: Char Baby
I have Bosch O2 & AF sensors in my wifes Lexus with no issues to date. Can't be much worst than the Denso Factory Sensors that were in the vehicle. The Denso's didn't last very long IMHO!
Must have been a bad batch from Denso because everything Denso and NGK I have used has been top notch and lasted a long time.
Yeah, must have been a real long list of batches since these sensors are the first thing that appear on the first generation Lexus RX trouble spots when looking up the reliability data online. A/F and O2 sensors.
The Bosch wipers on my Buick are working very well 2 years later. Highly worth the $15 per blade.
Now I've never had good luck with Bosch oxygen sensors. My old Hyundai never liked the Bosch sensor I installed, and the folks on the 3800 V6-powered Pontiac forums I browse never get more than 2-3 weeks from Bosch O2 sensors or spark plugs. Many drivability or stumble/hesitation problems have been traced to Bosch plugs or O2 sensors. The consensus is that Bosch stuff doesn't play well in a waste-spark ignition system.
Now the Denso O2 sensor on my Buick is getting lazy after ~20k miles. Flipping thing. Back to the reboxed Delco part, and hope it's old stock that's close to OEM.
Now I've never had good luck with Bosch oxygen sensors. My old Hyundai never liked the Bosch sensor I installed, and the folks on the 3800 V6-powered Pontiac forums I browse never get more than 2-3 weeks from Bosch O2 sensors or spark plugs. Many drivability or stumble/hesitation problems have been traced to Bosch plugs or O2 sensors. The consensus is that Bosch stuff doesn't play well in a waste-spark ignition system.
Now the Denso O2 sensor on my Buick is getting lazy after ~20k miles. Flipping thing. Back to the reboxed Delco part, and hope it's old stock that's close to OEM.
Originally Posted By: Geo_Prizm
If the moderator Bill in Utah had not deleted one of my posts, you would have read I like Bosch appliances too.
If you had kept it on subject (look above when in doubt) then the post would not have been removed. (We NEVER delete posts. EVERY one is kept for reference)
I'm glad you got that point.
Bill
If the moderator Bill in Utah had not deleted one of my posts, you would have read I like Bosch appliances too.
If you had kept it on subject (look above when in doubt) then the post would not have been removed. (We NEVER delete posts. EVERY one is kept for reference)
I'm glad you got that point.
Bill
A few years ago I changed the O2 sensor on my '96 Ford Contour. I had no CEL but it didn't seem to run "right". The factory O2 sensor was either a Denso or NGK, I replaced it with a Bosch, not the universal one but application specific. It works fine. Didn't "cure" what I hoped it would, so obviously it wasn't a OB2 sensor problem. Oh well I have a fresher O2 sensor in there now. They do get "lazy" as time accumulates on them.
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